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** NVIDIA has working 28nm chips **

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NVIDIA announced it's well prepared for 28nm process technology, reports X-bit Labs:

Nvidia Corp. said it had learnt the lessons with 40nm process technology and would not repeat its mistakes with the 28nm fabrication process. The company spent time on learning the peculiarities of the 28nm manufacturing technology from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company and already has working 28nm chips.

"We are far better prepared for 28nm than we were for 40nm. Because we took it so much more seriously. We were successful on so many different nodes for so long that we all collectively, as an industry, forgot how hard it is. So, one of the things that we did this time around was to set up an entire organization that is dedicated to advanced nodes. We have had many, many tests chips run on 28nm, we have working silicon," said Jen-Hsun Huang, chief executive officer of Nvidia.

TSMC's 40nm manufacturing process was plagued with low yields conditioned by problems with the technology itself, manufacturing issues and design errors. Nvidia started to develop its 40nm lineup without knowing about the potential issues and when it ran into a set of unexpected problems it had to delay launch of its key-products based on Fermi architecture. With 28nm process technology, the company seems to be better prepared.

"[Our experience with 28nm] is looking really good, it is looking much better than our experience with 40nm. It is just a comprehensive, across-the-board engagement between TSMC and ourselves making sure that we are ready for production ramp when the time comes. So I feel really good about 28nm," said Jen-Hsun Huang.

Nvidia said earlier this month that it plans to test-drive its next-generation Kepler graphics processing unit (GPU) this year and introduce the new chips commercially in 2012.

Kepler is Nvidia's next-generation graphics processor architecture that is projected to bring considerable performance improvements and will likely make the GPU more flexible in terms of programmability, which will speed up development of applications that take advantage of GPGPU (general purpose processing on GPU) technologies. Some of the technologies that Nvidia promised to introduce in Kepler and Maxwell (the architecture that will succeed Kepler) include virtual memory space (which will allow CPUs and GPUs to use the "unified" virtual memory), pre-emption, enhance the ability of GPU to autonomously process the data without the help of CPU and so on.
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Seems nvidia are much more prepared this time and by the sounds of it seem confident with 28nm process.
 
I won't listen to a word they say till i see the cards on the shelf to buy....


As there far to much marketing crap these days...
 
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Really not looking good for AMD at the minute, nVidea near ready for 28nm. And Intel nearing Ivy Bridge with Bulldozer out of sight :/ hope this doesn't affect them too much. Competition is what drives innovation.
 
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lol, Nvidia's excuse re-writen for accuracy.

"we were so good for so long that collectively as an industry we didn't take it seriously... which is why we were the ONLY company to have serious teething issues on 40nm at TSMC."

BS, we're doing so well on 28nm, that we don't expect Kepler till 2012, even though they promised it for 2011, and AMD will have 28nm chips out in 2011. Yeah, sure, you're early and on time, on par with the competition.
 
chaparral said:
I won't listen to a word they say till i see the cards on the shelf to buy....


As there far to much marketing crap these days...
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100% agree.. Since the 1st gen 40nm cards and now the 2nd gen cards nothing has really changed in real performance apart from they made tessellation work correctly... Blaa we see how well tessellation is used in crysis 2... What a waste... let's hope the next single GPU cards (SLI / CFX or even dual gpu single cards are a no no for me and I don't need any headaches with drivers and profiles and game updates to make 2 or more of my expensive cards work as they were meant to work :rolleyes:) are atleast 2 times faster then a Ati 5870 or my money is staying in my pocket.. currently the 580 gtx is really no more then 30% faster in real use.. compared to a 5870.. If i'm going to blow £300+ on a card 2 years down the line it better have double the performance. Also game makers need to get off their lazy rears and stop using tessellation in such a poor way as in crysis 2. Why are we wasting money on heavy duty graphics cards when game makers cripple the cards because they can't code correctly or optimise their code.. Also make some good games that can use the extra horse power we have in modern graphics cards.. There are way too many pc games that will run on a very basic graphics card and people that own highend cards are stuck with games that don't even make use of 10% of their true power.
 
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Purgatory said:
100% agree.. Since the 1st gen 40nm cards and now the 2nd gen cards nothing has really changed in real performance apart from they made tessellation work correctly... Blaa we see how well tessellation is used in crysis 2... What a waste... let's hope the next single GPU cards (SLI and CFX is a no no for me and I don't need any headaches with drivers and profiles and game updates to make 2 or more of my expensive cards to work as they were meant to work :rolleyes:) are atleast 2 times faster then a Ati 5870 or my money is staying in my pocket.. currently the 580 gtx is really no more then 30% faster in real use.. compared to a 5870.. If i'm going to blow £300+ on a card 2 years down the line it better have double the performance. Also game makers need to get off their lazy rears and stop using tessellation in such a poor way as in crysis 2. Why are we wasting money on heavy duty graphics cards when game makers cripple the cards because they can't code correctly or optimise their code.. Also make some good games that can use the extra horse power we have in modern graphics cards.. There are way too many pc games that will run on a very basic graphics card and people that own highend cards are stuck with games that don't even make use of 10% of their true power.
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Good point. we have all this graphics power we willingly spend hard earned cash on, that they lure us in to buy boasting how mint the games will look, when theres nothing special ive really seen in the current gens game line up anyway. either everythings designed half assed or just poorly optimised.
 
Matterez said:
Really not looking good for AMD at the minute, nVidea near ready for 28nm. And Intel nearing Ivy Bridge with Bulldozer out of sight :/ hope this doesn't affect them too much. Competition is what drives innovation.
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The products you mention are a tiny segment of the market though?
 
maybe something worth upgrading to will come out soon then..

still running a GTX460 at 1920x1080 and playing everygame fairly well with 2-4x AA.

on benchmarks it doesnt look like it would be worth upgrading unless im willing to fork out well over 200 quid and with the state of pc gaming 200 is my max budget
 
Matterez said:
Really not looking good for AMD at the minute, nVidea near ready for 28nm. And Intel nearing Ivy Bridge with Bulldozer out of sight :/ hope this doesn't affect them too much. Competition is what drives innovation.
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Is this just complete trolling?

Ivy bridge has been delayed MORE than Bulldozer and won't be out for 8-10 months.

28nm, AMD is WAY ahead of Nvidia, Nvidia won't launch anything 28nm(except possibly low end rubbish parts no one wants) until probably Feb-march time frame next year at the earliest, possibly as late as April. AMD is launching seemingly October at the latest, maybe next month.

Bulldozer is going to be out 6-7 months ahead of Ivy, which clock for clock is on par with Sandybridge, and 7xxx cards are to launch 5-6 months ahead of Nvidia's.
 
Big Charlie confirms a likely September launch for AMD 7 series, with maybe a possible delay if TSMC can't deliver, but still it should still be released WAY before nvidia's 28nm chips.

@ DM
Will it even be worth Nvidia's time making low end 28nm GPU's, as considering by that time most CPU's sold will effectively have low end GPU's, so this market will likely be low volume/ low margin.
Surely all that silicon capacity will be dedicated to the popular low end replacement known as 'Tegra'?
 
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you guys missed probably the 28nm course for amd?

amd will release low-end 7xxx cards this year and high end next year, probably at the same time as nvidia.
 
If they get the timing right AMD could clean up here, lots of gamers will be upgrading video cards for BF3, even if they don't really need to, if AMD get a high end part out that's significantly faster then they will do well.
 
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