Nvidia preparing new Geforce with GK110

[Gregster]

FXAA matt is the only thing that is low, so put FXAA on and the rest on ultra/ultimate.

It doesn't matter and I am not out for who gets the highest frames, it is about seeing the slight stutter and how evident it really is. I use Tomb Raider as an example because it is the game they used in the conference showing how G-Sync looked on and off and this is where they were all excited.

 

[LtMatt]

FXAA matt is the only thing that is low, so put FXAA on and the rest on ultra/ultimate.

It doesn't matter and I am not out for who gets the highest frames, it is about seeing the slight stutter and how evident it really is. I use Tomb Raider as an example because it is the game they used in the conference showing how G-Sync looked on and off and this is where they were all excited.

Ok Greg will do mate. Not trying to compete with you on fps as i know ill win while you only have one titan.

What am i looking out for? Is it just screen tear cos i have no trouble spotting that if its present.

 

[Gregster]

I would like someone to run the Tomb Raider bench please. I did this at 1440P and got 41 min 52 avg and 64 max. That should look nice and smooth but when you study it, you see all sorts of image problems and slight stutter. I am pretty sure anyone who loves AMD doesn't get this but for those who have an interest, it would be useful to see if you get the same. You do have to pay attention and looking at the rocks was the best way for me to see it.

FXAA matt is the only thing that is low, so put FXAA on and the rest on ultra/ultimate.

It doesn't matter and I am not out for who gets the highest frames, it is about seeing the slight stutter and how evident it really is. I use Tomb Raider as an example because it is the game they used in the conference showing how G-Sync looked on and off and this is where they were all excited.

Ok Greg will do mate. Not trying to compete with you on fps as i know ill win while you only have one titan.

What am i looking out for? Is it just screen tear cos i have no trouble spotting that if its present.

I have not had tearing but worth me turning settings down or even overclocking to go over 60 to see if I do.

 

[LtMatt]

Right i will focus on the rocks. I could even record it using Dxtory i suppose. Though id have to download all the bits and bobs again from somewhere as ive reformatted since my last video.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Not everyone sees it that way Frosty, just because you do. Not everyone is going to want to replace their current monitor. A lot of people will just look to buy the unit themselves and fit it to their current monitor, assuming its supported.

I appreciate that dude, but it just seems thus far you've tried your very hardest to dismiss the technology - which in fairness might not be a bad thing anyway considering you've no intention of buying Nvidia .

£100 mark might be a lot more to some than others, but for the technology I'd say there is no chance you can complain at that.

3D Vision glasses kits are around the same price (£130 last time I checked), and there are a fair amount of games that do not work well with it. I wouldn't deprive myself of using it in the games that it does work in purely on the basis it didn't work in one or two. I just think you're quicker to dismiss it for more obvious reasons

 

[LtMatt]

I appreciate that dude, but it just seems thus far you've tried your very hardest to dismiss the technology - which in fairness might not be a bad thing anyway considering you've no intention of buying Nvidia .

£100 mark might be a lot more to some than others, but for the technology I'd say there is no chance you can complain at that.

3D Vision glasses kits are around the same price (£130 last time I checked), and there are a fair amount of games that do not work well with it. I wouldn't deprive myself of using it in the games that it does work in purely on the basis it didn't work in one or two. I just think you're quicker to dismiss it for more obvious reasons

I'm raising what i feel are legitimate concerns. I might consider buying it if there is no arbitrary lockout and it works with AMD Cards. But first i need to make sure that if im spending £108 on something it works with the games i play. For this to happen im going to need to see some proper reviews and user reviews playing the latest games.

 

[Gregster]

A very good point Frosty. I love 3D and bought 2 more monitors for 3D surround knowing full well that some games didn't work in 3D. It didn't stop me splashing £800 on the other 2 monitors though.

Obviously some will not be able to justify $100 to move away from AMD but some with an open mind will.

 

[LtMatt]

A very good point Frosty. I love 3D and bought 2 more monitors for 3D surround knowing full well that some games didn't work in 3D. It didn't stop me splashing £800 on the other 2 monitors though.

Obviously some will not be able to justify $100 to move away from AMD but some with an open mind will.

I suggest the minority that think like that though are just that, a minority. Just because others don't think like that doesn't mean we can't raise concerns about it or ask difficult questions.

It comes down to more than that Greg. Excluding the extra cost of the monitor and or the Gsync unit itself Nvidia offer much worse bang for the buck. So not only would i potentially be losing money by switching over, but my graphics horse power per £ would decrease dramatically.

That's one reason why i would potentially be interested in this, if it could be used with AMD cards present. The £108 price tag still seems excessive to me though.

 

[Suarez7]

Well if the BF4 server does well this year Matt you could always use the donations to pay for it

 

[Silent_Scone]

I'm raising what i feel are legitimate concerns. I might consider buying it if there is no arbitrary lockout and it works with AMD Cards. But first i need to make sure that if im spending £108 on something it works with the games i play. For this to happen im going to need to see some proper reviews and user reviews playing the latest games.

And that is a fair point. I guess it was more down to how when you saw the reply on the FAQ you instantly saw that as "Christ it looks it's going to only support a few games". At least that's how I read it from your reply .

Which I'm hoping is no where near the truth, I'm imagining it will be only a very select few games already on the market. I also appreciate that people are sometimes more meticulous when it comes to these things in what they want from a product. Then there is me with three £800 video cards which are possibly about to be superseded . The FAQ response doesn't ring alarm bells for me as it does for you I suppose.

 

[Gregster]

I suggest the minority that think like that though are just that, a minority. Just because others don't think like that doesn't mean we can't raise concerns about it or ask difficult questions.

It comes down to more than that Greg. Excluding the extra cost of the monitor and or the Gsync unit itself Nvidia offer much worse bang for the buck. So not only would i potentially be losing money by switching over, but my graphics horse power per £ would decrease dramatically.

That's one reason why i would potentially be interested in this, if it could be used with AMD cards present. The £108 price tag still seems excessive to me though.

The only person I am trying to convince is me ,Matt (and probably the Mrs). If I am honest, I can easily put up with the slight judder and have done for years but if there is something that makes it run smooth and no input lag, I am in. I am hoping someone will get one and plug two monitors in that are the same (that Asus VG with a G-Sync mod and a Asus VG without a G-Sync mod). That person can then give us the feedback and let me know if it is worth the jump, hell, it might even be me who goes first

 

[LtMatt]

Well if the BF4 server does well this year Matt you could always use the donations to pay for it

You wouldn't believe the life of luxury we lead thanks to those donations mate. You'd be well jel!

The only person I am trying to convince is me ,Matt (and probably the Mrs). If I am honest, I can easily put up with the slight judder and have done for years but if there is something that makes it run smooth and no input lag, I am in. I am hoping someone will get one and plug two monitors in that are the same (that Asus VG with a G-Sync mod and a Asus VG without a G-Sync mod). That person can then give us the feedback and let me know if it is worth the jump, hell, it might even be me who goes first

Greg i ran the test and to be honest mate i don't see what you're seeing. But i guess you expected me to say that right?

Maybe its because i have 50% increase in average fps so it seems smoother? I didn't see any tearing either which was a surprise. Not saying its not there, but if it is i could not detect it. Whether frame pacing, which was enabled, affects the stutter or tearing ive no idea. It certainly wouldn't affect the tearing as far as i know as i still get tearing on bf3 with vsync offf and frame pacing on. Tomb Raider for me at least seems to be running tear free without vsync on the benchmark run. I studied the rocks throughout the bench run and saw nothing untoward as far as i could tell either.

Spoiler

 

[Silent_Scone]

Was there any clue as to what the G-Sync demonstration was running on for the Tomb Raider bench?

 

[Gregster]

I put settings to high and was getting an average of 120 fps and no tearing either but could still make out the judder when looking at the rocks but it wasn't as noticeable. In honesty, it isn't a game breaker or spoiler and I had to look to see it but like you have said prior to the micro stutter fix, "You never noticed micro stutter, so didn't see what the fuss was all about" but after the fix, you said that "games felt very smooth". It could be one of those we see and put to the back of our minds because we have become so accustomed to it but when it is sorted, it is apparent that it was there.

Was there any clue as to what the G-Sync demonstration was running on for the Tomb Raider bench?

2 identical Asus monitors with 760's in SLI.

 

[LtMatt]

I put settings to high and was getting an average of 120 fps and no tearing either but could still make out the judder when looking at the rocks but it wasn't as noticeable. In honesty, it isn't a game breaker or spoiler and I had to look to see it but like you have said prior to the micro stutter fix, "You never noticed micro stutter, so didn't see what the fuss was all about" but after the fix, you said that "games felt very smooth". It could be one of those we see and put to the back of our minds because we have become so accustomed to it but when it is sorted, it is apparent that it was there.



It looked like the bench test.

I could definitely notice a difference with games where i had microstutter before as i said. Sleeping Dogs was a prime example.

Do you still see this judder with vsync on with high settings? It sounds more like an issue with the benchmark tbh than a graphics or driver issue. The Tomb Raider benchmark has always been a bit like this. Probably better off using something else as an example.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I must admit the TR benchmark has some quirks especially with TressFX enabled. Not sure if this happens for other Nvidia users but her hair occasionally looks as if she's head banging.

 

[LtMatt]

I must admit the TR benchmark has some quirks especially with TressFX enabled. Not sure if this happens for other Nvidia users but her hair occasionally looks as if she's head banging.

Haha no never seen that but sometimes i see the hair clip with her shoulder. During one of the many game patches they managed to break it a bit i think and they never fixed it. Shame as it worked fine up until that. I have to say this is only an issue in the benchmark for me though. It does not occur at all during actual gameplay.

 

[Suarez7]

Metro 2033 was another game with benchmark issues. I've tried it on the 7970 I had and my 780 and it wouldn't run smooth at all despite reporting decent fps.

 

[Gregster]

I could definitely notice a difference with games where i had microstutter before as i said. Sleeping Dogs was a prime example.

Do you still see this judder with vsync on with high settings? It sounds more like an issue with the benchmark tbh than a graphics or driver issue. The Tomb Raider benchmark has always been a bit like this. Probably better off using something else as an example.

It is perfectly smooth with V-sync and didn't notice a single glitch but then I am introducing input lag, so back to what we were talking about yesterday, it is a trade off of what don't you like the most?

Lag or stutter/judder - Sprouts or cabbage. I dislike both but it appears without G-Sync, I have to have one.

Time will tell.

 

[LtMatt]

Metro 2033 was another game with benchmark issues. I've tried it on the 7970 I had and my 780 and it wouldn't run smooth at all despite reporting decent fps.

Metro benchmarks are an abomination. I treat them with about as much importance as one of my turds.

It is perfectly smooth with V-sync and didn't notice a single glitch but then I am introducing input lag, so back to what we were talking about yesterday, it is a trade off of what don't you like the most?

Lag or stutter/judder - Sprouts or cabbage. I dislike both but it appears without G-Sync, I have to have one.

Time will tell.

I can only presume that my extra fps are protecting me from that stutter then. Either that or i can't see it or feel it. Do you get that stutter in game Greg with vsync off, or is it just present in the benchmark scene?

Did you try that config file i gave you for bf3?