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NVIDIA Price drops

Get a decent job? Stop spending money on other things?

Maybe he has a decent job already, maybe other things take priority such as bill,rent, maybe kids??? a lot of people can't justify £600 for a card, myself included.


Its nothing new to spend up to £600 for the latest graphics cards,
Really?
Well ive owned cards since the TnT/Voodoo days. When I bought the ti4400 I paid 240 ish the Ti4600 which was the top card at the time was around a hundred pounds more. Same when I bought the 6800GT at around £260 ish the 6800 Ultra was under 400 pounds.
The last card I bought was the 8800GT and if there was cards for £600 prices at that time, I dont remember seeing them.
 
Maybe he has a decent job already, maybe other things take priority such as bill,rent, maybe kids??? a lot of people can't justify £600 for a card, myself included.



Really?
Well ive owned cards since the TnT/Voodoo days. When I bought the ti4400 I paid 240 ish the Ti4600 which was the top card at the time was around a hundred pounds more. Same when I bought the 6800GT at around £260 ish the 6800 Ultra was under 400 pounds.
The last card I bought was the 8800GT and if there was cards for £600 prices at that time, I don't remember seeing them.

@ first bit: yea he might have, fair enough, doesn't mean it should be cheaper though, you make sacrifices and choose what to spend your money on.....I'd imagine "buying bleeding edge technology" = stops when wife = pregnant?
It's a given, unless you then get a higher paid job, so you can continue spending more as your income has gone up. Obvisouly it takes time to move up the corporate ladder etc. But it is BLEEDING EDGE, its going to be expensive, and then you get it, and your disappointed because it doesn't work right as the drivers suck ass as its so incredibly new.

I have bills + rent to pay etc, I do not have children and I am currently single. But I choose to live with a few friends, as opposed to on my own, though so it keeps all my bills/rent down to under £400 a month (including mobile etc). I then save £300 a month, and get left with around £600 a month to burn.

5950ultra? that was silly money and wasn't even good
6800 ultras were up to around 500 werent they? But I thought ATI had the higher pricing on their x800xt cards at the time, but i cant remember at all really.
7800GTXs were around £450 when my mate bought them, and that wasn't at launch, and I remember x1850xtx's (specially crossfire controller cards) being expensive as hell on launch.
8800 ultra, £575 at launch
9800....pfft, none of that was even a refresh of the "ultra"
280 gtx was like 550 or so
Im not counting refreshes, since they are all die shrinks and as such end up cheaper

Firstly, not all cards are £600, i did just mean "up to", competition and good $:£ ratios help a lot. Take into account inflation, so £500 10 years ago could easily be more like £600 today, you cant simply look at the numbers.
 
5950 Ultra was still no where near £500
6800 Ultra's were under £400
7800GTX's Not sure tbh missed out that gen
8800 Ultra's probably where the stupid prices started to kick in.

The point Im making is £600 cards have only recently become the norm, as for the inflation point its a intresting point,but tech wise think what £600 buys you now?
You can get a 40 inch Sammy LCD and blu-ray player for that and still have change!
 
The technology that goes into those Sammy LCDs is usually already cost offset by selling umpteen smaller variants to women and students. :p

Just like the low end cards help offset R&D costs by selling in bulk to Dell etc. But they can't get the low end variants out first, that takes time and they need to recoup their investment in the short term.

BTW I think in the dying days of Voodoo cards, they put out a card for around £600. Not sure about that though.
 
My my, didn't realise there were so many sensitive souls :P

I was trying to put across the point of what constitutes a 'fair price'.. i know this is a very subjective matter but considering what's gone before and what's available to us now, i don't think current gfx prices are that 'fair'. (partly exlains why you still have threads on various forums asking views and opinions on which gfx route to go... recent one here asking whether to go 4890xfire or single 5870). It's the classic.. old tech/more powerful/cheaper or new tech but more expensive but less powerful etc etc).

@Ch3m1c4L: I'm surprised to see how defensive you are in the things you say. It seems, there's always an 'acceptable' reason (at least to you anyway) for the high price paid and then if the latest gfx card doesn't work too well then, as you say, it's because the drivers need time to mature.

Someone else made a comparison with complaining about the cost of an expensive sports car (Ferrari I think). Buyers of such cars don't complain because having parted with a lot of money, the car they've just bought works. It looks and drives like a new car...like a very expensive sports car. There's no expectation that the car still needs further work to be done etc etc.

Should you ever be in the fortunate position of being able to buy such an expensive sports car, would you come up with the same 'acceptable' reasons as you have done for the latest gfx card? Would you say, arrr... it's only a dent.. must be the latest AI driven robot panel beater they've just installed... onboard computer locks you out of your own car... oh well, just needs another firmware update.. no biggie, a short walk in the rain never killed anyone :P
 
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Someone else made a comparison with complaining about the cost of an expensive sports car (Ferrari I think). Buyers of such cars don't complain because having parted with a lot of money, the car they've just bought works. It looks and drives like a new car...like a very expensive sports car. There's no expectation that the car still needs further work to be done etc etc.

Should you ever be in the fortunate position of being able to buy such an expensive sports car, would you come up with the same 'acceptable' reasons as you have done for the latest gfx card? Would you say, arrr... it's only a dent.. must be the latest AI driven robot panel beater they've just installed... onboard computer locks you out of your own car... oh well, just needs another firmware update.. no biggie, a short walk in the rain never killed anyone :P

Nice to see that you picked on and really considered a very tounge in cheek comment (I even indicated as such!). Hope you enjoyed writing your fairly reasonable in places response :D

Anyway, bottom line is get what you can when you can to suit yourself ... you be the best judge of that!
 
My my, didn't realise there were so many sensitive souls :P

I was trying to put across the point of what constitutes a 'fair price'.. i know this is a very subjective matter but considering what's gone before and what's available to us now, i don't think current gfx prices are that 'fair'. (partly exlains why you still have threads on various forums asking views and opinions on which gfx route to go... recent one here asking whether to go 4890xfire or single 5870). It's the classic.. old tech/more powerful/cheaper or new tech but more expensive but less powerful etc etc).
But any argument about this is idiotic, because at the end of the day you don't have to buy a £600 card. You can play any newly released game at 1080p on a £200 card. And if you're really that bother by not being able to max absolutely everything then just play all the games 6-12 months later, when you can also get the games for £10.

You somehow seem to think you're entitled to having the best card available at a price that suits you. Well sorry pal, you gotta earn your e-peen.
 
ok, long post ahead...


Lol, thats pretty good. I wasn't saying I like the driver issues, or that I accept them, gtx280's were the first time I could afford top of the line cards, on release day. I didnt get driver issues, I was pleasantly surprised by how much better SLI had become to be honest. Other people seem to state that they ahve driver issues with new tech etc and i am giving them the benefit of the doubt that its not just their lack of knowledge or something.
I meant it more when you buy a whole new PC of just released parts, which means your one of the people who tests compatibility of components with each other, and have to wait for bios updates/driver updates etc. It's generally accepted because the companies could only afford to work out the kinks before release, if they charged more to cover testing on every combination of hardware. They keep costs down by only testing on more popular choices and what they expect the user to pair with it. As long as they address the issues quickly its not too bad, just annoying.

Didnt mean to come accross quite so defensive, just bad day at work and I'm annoyed at how many people have come into the PC scene expecting everything to be cheap, because we had cheap hardware for a while, and think that they are entitled to complain that they cant afford the top of the line hardware. Which for a full system has always cost 2-3 grand (my first MAC back in 1996 cost £2k (parents, not mine). And on my "dream pc" i spent about 2.5k on the components. Another 3k went on 30" screen and custom case and water and stuffs. I have added more to it now, with an SSD and another HDD, but tbh its still a damn good spec, and people told me it was stupid because it would be out dated in a year, and its now 2 years old (my 280's broke so i got 295's in replacement, for cheaper than the 280's).




6800 ultra cost $599 (for the extreme edition) (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_ultra_extreme/) on release for a bfg variation, which unless we had an awesome converstion ratio at the time, should translate into around £500-600, as we tend to end up about the same numbers as dollars unless we have a 2:1 ratio. I should point out, I wasnt looking at the ultra much then, except for going "oh...i wish i could afford that instead of my crappy 6600gt", so there could have been deals etc.

Ok I was about the 5950 ultra, which was the card that was top when nvidia first released their 5 series? Although did they release at massively lower prices cause they sucked ati's balls that round?

Geforce 4 was a optimized refresh of geforce 2/3 depending on the model, so wasnt new tech so would be cheap, while not offering massive performance gains. (5-6 series was 2-2.5 gains and 6-7 series was 1.5-2 gains, according to review sites).

Yes, for £600 i may be able to get a LCD and blu ray player, but LCD is old tech now, compare it to the bleeding edge of TV tech, LED is "high end" but has been superseeded and I have only recently shed out £1399 for a 46" sammy LED tv. Check out the prices on the 3D tv sets, there like 3k!

Now, while I'd love one, I can't afford it really. I would have to sacfrifice going out and going on holiday for a while, which I'd prefer to spend my money on. I also know that my LED TV will keep me happy enough for a few years while waiting for the price to come down on the 3d sets. Blu Ray players when released were what? £500? I'm going on price of a Blu Ray drive for a pc, since i care not about the normal ones so have never sen the pricing for them. Now there £50, several years after release. I imagine that the top end graphics card come down in price after a few years....8800's go for around £50 now dont they? Although that is second hand but obv. nowhere sells them new now.

Tbh I find the fact that high end keyboards are coming out for >£100 more of a kick in the teeth. I mean, It's a keyboard ffs, while im happy to buy one for around £70 I consider over £100 silly. Although ig my g15 broke and I couldnt get a replacement under warrenty, I might buy one because they are pretty shiny.
 
6800 ultra cost $599 (for the extreme edition) (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_ultra_extreme/) on release for a bfg variation, which unless we had an awesome converstion ratio at the time, should translate into around £500-600,


Pretty certain this review was around the time of release:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1578&page=1
Has thats at $424, and ***** reviewed the BFC 6800 OC

http://www.*****.net/content/item.php?item=812&page=9

Should say something about card being near the £400 mark, although *****'s review was a few months down the line, but still no way was it anywhere near £600.

Yes, for £600 i may be able to get a LCD and blu ray player, but LCD is old tech now, compare it to the bleeding edge of TV tech, LED is "high end" but has been superseeded and I have only recently shed out £1399 for a 46" sammy LED tv. Check out the prices on the 3D tv sets, there like 3k!

What hifi have just reviewed a 3d 40inch sammy, think it was around 1800, but maybe the bigger sets are more?

Now, while I'd love one, I can't afford it really. I would have to sacfrifice going out and going on holiday for a while, which I'd prefer to spend my money on. I also know that my LED TV will keep me happy enough for a few years while waiting for the price to come down on the 3d sets.

100% agreed with you there!

Tbh I find the fact that high end keyboards are coming out for >£100 more of a kick in the teeth. I mean, It's a keyboard ffs, while im happy to buy one for around £70 I consider over £100 silly. Although ig my g15 broke and I couldnt get a replacement under warrenty, I might buy one because they are pretty shiny.

Agreed with you again,think there is a thousand pound keyboard out there!
Ok it has programmable LED screens on the keys but still.
:D
 
I was using this as a source for the extreme edition pricing, using that as the "top" card of the range becuase it was released so close to the 6800 ultra (at 6800gt time i think). You realise I am meaning hicked prices yea, not what they settle at 1-2 months down the line when the shops stop adding on a hundred pounds or so? Hence me saying release price.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2113&p=17

edit: @ 3d tv prices, google doesnt seem to bring up much, but if thats true, it makes me fsking annoyed that ive got a non 3d tv now lmao. But while googling apperently samsung released their first "3d ready" tv in 2007? I never heard of that back then, did you?
 
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