NVIDIA PsyOps Against HD 7970

easyrider · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:31

dave_beast said:
The 7970 is newer generation than anything Nvidia have, it beats anything Nvidia has, and you're clearly butthurting right now, derp. < My opinion btw.

see post 20

easyrider · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:32

oh I would quite happily **** on AMD or NV I dont care who makes hardware

stulid · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:34

Who was that maker that did a "tiling rendering" competing product around the time of the geforce2?

dave_beast · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:37

easyrider said:
7970 is in some benchies only 5% faster than the 580

Joke

In some benches, when overclocked within CCC limits, it beats the 580 by nearly 80%.

Nvidia not releasing a high end card for over a year, and sending shills out to spread wild wacky performance/price rumours = joke

d_brennen · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:37

From what I've seen the 7970 is handily faster than the GTX580 and in many cases cheaper than an equivalent 3GB 580 at the sort of resolutions these cards are intended for. Obviously a waste if you game at 1680*1050 (lol)

How much faster is the 580 vs the 480? What were their launch prices? The 58xx and 69xx cards were priced to compete in a value competition with the 480/580 and the lower tier NV cards. The 7970 IS the fastest card, and for all the spin and rumours of a $300 NV card that will change the game, nothing exists to prove this. Nothing

dave_beast · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:39

d_brennen said:
How much faster is the 580 vs the 480?

AFAIK, the 580 was the fixed (non fan heater spec) version of the 480

stulid · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:41

Of the top of my head I think its about 10% faster than the GTX480, but as above it dont sound like a Hoover and doesn't need a warning label not to touch it 5 minutes after switching off.

*May not be 5 minutes, may have been less.

dave_beast · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:43

http://www.geeks3d.com/public/jegx/201003/geforce_gtx_480_egg_cooking.jpg

d_brennen · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:44

dave_beast said:
AFAIK, the 580 was the fixed (non fan heater spec) version of the 480

I know who fast they both are, it was a rhetorical question. If Nvidia launched a card a few weeks ago at £450 that was consistently 20-30% faster than the GTX580 not a single **** would be given

Martini1991 · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:48

d_brennen said:
I know who fast they both are, it was a rhetorical question. If Nvidia launched a card a few weeks ago at £450 that was consistently 20-30% faster than the GTX580 not a single **** would be given

Except that it would.
480 to 580 was due to the 40nm process still being used, likewise with the 5870 to 6970.

The 6970 and 580 replaced their counter parts price wise while offering better performance.

The 7970 is priced as though it was previous generation, and in the majority of cases it's like 20-30% faster than a 580, all Nvidia need to do for a flagship is have it 80% faster than the 580 and they're miles ahead performance wise, which isn't a far fetched performance increase from a die shrink series.

It's an underwhelming performance increase we've seen. Not saying the 7970 isn't good, because it clearly is, but its price is ridiculous.

xsistor · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:48

stulid said:
Who was that maker that did a "tiling rendering" competing product around the time of the geforce2?

Which one? Microsoft Talisman was a bit before Geforce 2 iirc. Maybe one of the PowerVR ones.

stulid · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:50

xsistor said:
Which one? Microsoft Talisman was a bit before Geforce 2 iirc. Maybe one of the PowerVR ones.

I googled it after I asked the question

( I am lazy sometimes)

Its Kyro2.

Something called "tiled deferred rendering"

d_brennen · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:50

stulid said:
Who was that maker that did a "tiling rendering" competing product around the time of the geforce2?

3DFX?

dave_beast · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:51

d_brennen said:
I know who fast they both are, it was a rhetorical question. If Nvidia launched a card a few weeks ago at £450 that was consistently 20-30% faster than the GTX580 not a single **** would be given

Brand loyality in the gpu market is a big fail now, whereas NVidia used to hold the crown as prime choice for enthusiasts/gamers, the pricing and the way they've left gaping holes inbetween models has lost them that position.

I will laugh my pants right off if when NV (eventually) release their high end card and it's £600.

Martini1991 · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:52

dave_beast said:
Brand loyality in the gpu market is a big fail now, whereas NVidia used to hold the crown as prime choice for enthusiasts/gamers, the pricing and the way they've left gaping holes inbetween models has lost them that position.

I will laugh my pants right off if when NV (eventually) release their high end card and it's £600.

Ironic.
If Nvidia's flagship is 600, we've only AMD to thank for enabling them to do so with their ridiculous price/performance pricing of the 7970.

Cleeecooo · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:58

Martini1991 said:
Ironic.
If Nvidia's flagship is 600, we've only AMD to thank for enabling them to do so with their ridiculous price/performance pricing of the 7970.

Yeah, DOWN WITH AMD!!!

stulid · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:58

/Jedi mind trick on/

Wait for Nvidia Kepler

/jedi mind trick off/

Martini1991 · 28 Jan 2012 at 00:59

Cleeecooo said:
Yeah, DOWN WITH AMD!!!

Wouldn't quite go that far.
I'd never buy an Nvidia GPU.
But AMD are ticking me off.

d_brennen · 28 Jan 2012 at 01:02

Martini1991 said:
Except that it would.
480 to 580 was due to the 40nm process still being used, likewise with the 5870 to 6970.

The 6970 and 580 replaced their counter parts price wise while offering better performance.

The 7970 is priced as though it was previous generation, and in the majority of cases it's like 20-30% faster than a 580, all Nvidia need to do for a flagship is have it 80% faster than the 580 and they're miles ahead performance wise, which isn't a far fetched performance increase from a die shrink series.

It's an underwhelming performance increase we've seen. Not saying the 7970 isn't good, because it clearly is, but its price is ridiculous.

I know what you are saying, I'm in no way justifying the price, just that they can charge that, because right now it is the best single GPU you can slot into your PC. Not in a month or two, maybe next quarter or by the end of the year but now. There is no competition. The semiconductor business is a funny one, the more it changes the more it stays the same!

In three months time the 7970 will probably be £380 or so, the 7950 £299 and some bargainous 7850/70s at £150 and £199. Nvidia will have the Fastest Card on the Planet ™ at £449.99 and the status quo will be restored

xsistor · 28 Jan 2012 at 01:02

Martini1991 said:
Wouldn't quite go that far.
I'd never buy an Nvidia GPU.
But AMD are ticking me off.

BURN THE HERETIC!!!

dave_beast said:
Brand loyality in the gpu market is a big fail now, whereas NVidia used to hold the crown as prime choice for enthusiasts/gamers, the pricing and the way they've left gaping holes inbetween models has lost them that position.

I will laugh my pants right off if when NV (eventually) release their high end card and it's £600.

then I will buy two of em, fit them to a truck and use it to run over your 7970... buahahah