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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - OFFICIAL PRE-ORDER THREAD!
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Soldato
It's in the partner showcase thread
I dunno if they are better value? Maybe versus the silly AIB prices mentioned in the thread, but not versus the 5090 MSRP. Prices on ebay are around £1400-£1550 depending on the model for 4090, reviews point to the 5090 being around 30-35% better, so the MSRP of the 5090 in line with that increase, and you don't have to worry about the used aspect.
I'll likely just wait for launch to try for a FE. I managed to get a 3080 FE on launch above all odds, so maybe there's hope.
plus no warranty. I think if you want a used 4090 the time is now though. Those that don't get a 5090 on launch might look to buy one. Plus before 5070 reviews come out you can low ball fb market place seller and send the screen shot of the 5070 matching 4090
Yea, well I think I'd rather just wait and get a card after launch if I whiff than go for a used 4090 anyway. I'm not entirely against buying used, but probably not for a GPU at the current prices. I think the current prices are really great for anyone wanting to sell since they've not lost much value in the 2 and a half odd years they've been around, but I think for the buyer they're less of a deal. That said I think the new prices aren't massive deals for buyers anyway, hah, but indeed you at least get some security with warranties.plus no warranty. I think if you want a used 4090 the time is now though. Those that don't get a 5090 on launch might look to buy one. Plus before 5070 reviews come out you can low ball fb market place seller and send the screen shot of the 5070 matching 4090
Soldato
5080 will likely equal 4090 in performance (raster) or at least be very close. On that basis I don't see how 4090 are still going for £1400 used.
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I am not talking about eBay. Generally you fill find members here will start dumping their cards the closer we get. If the used aspect worries you check their feedback and do your due diligence and ask all the questions you need to put your mind at rest and in my experience. most of them will still have warranty.
The prices have dropped somewhat from members but it varies from member to member. Only last week an Aorus master sold for 1100. That is way better value than any MSRP 5090 out there.
There is no sceanario that a 2k FE is better value than a 1100 or similar priced 4090 and less so the higher end AIB's 5090.
Agreed a used 4090 is probably the best bang for buck card right now on the market, if you can snag one for £1200 or less it's a steal tbh.
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Well I would never describe any halo product past or present in the same sentence as bang per buck cos that not the point of the card. But then again I think the appeal of the 4090 has managed to increase. Simply because people can't get past the mindset of 2k starting and only what 30% faster rasterisation uplift. So in comparison it seems like bang per buck.
Soldato
How are you arriving at this conclusion if a 5080 (for £979) is equal in performance to a 4090 in raster?
The 5080 will have the latest DLSS (may or may not be important to you).
The only thing the 4090 will have over 5080 is more VRAM (but the 5080 has GDDR7 which is faster than 6X).
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I do not have access to the members market here either way. I think it requires like a 1000 posts or something? I'm not sure.
But regardless, buying used with a GPU is taking a bit of a risk even after doing due diligence. It's not like a furniture piece, a office chair, or audio equipment which are largely designed in a way they'll last a really long time. Warranties aren't what they used to be on them either. I remember when 5 years used to be more common. Now 2-3 years seems to be the standard which sucks.
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Beacause the 5080 = 4090 is just false, there's a reason those reviews come out a week later
Soldato
The 5070=4090 was false. Its likely the 5080 equals (or very close) to 4090 performance.
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The Op was talking about 5090.
But to address your point. 'If' is an assumption. Dlss 4 will be available to the 4xxx series not the MFG part of it though. I personally don't use Frame Gen but I do use DLSS.
I would rather wait for for actual release day reviews and testing rather than what rumours are circulating. While the 5080 has faster ram speed it on a 256bit bus. 4090 is using slower mem which is on a 384 bit bus. So knowing if we multiply Vram speed by the bus width and then dividing by 8. So A FE 5080 will have 960 GB/s and a FE 4090 has 1008 GB/s not that much in it.
It will be interesting to see the testing on it.
That 5070 = 4090 was pure marketing gimmick hype, the 5080 is very slightly beefed up from the 4080 Super, and the node process change isn't resulting in more efficient cores, where the 4090 has 50% more cores. In rasterisation I'm expecing the 4090 to be about 10-15% faster (at the minimum) and the only way to potentially equalize it is if you use the 4x MFG
Soldato
On an inferior 256bit bus so the 4090 actually has faster ram overall
5080 will fill the gap between 4080 super and 4090
5080 - 4090 - 5090
£1000 - £1500 - £2000
Anything below £1200 for a 2nd hand 4090 will be good when the 50 series is released. The funny thing is that's only £200 less than they were a year ago brand new, so people considering it should have just bought the 4090 back then and enjoyed a year of 4090 performance for just £200 extra
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Same, I fancy new shiny but I guess I'll wait for reviews
Tbh that seems a totally insane price to pay for a second hand 4090 once the 5080 / 90 are available to buy new...! Assuming that the 5080 offers broadly the same performance as the 4090 in most use cases (bit more or less).
Soldato
We'll see what reviews say of course, but the 3080 was faster than the 2080ti, and the 4080 was quite a lot faster than the 3090ti (in fact the 3090ti was equalled by the 4070ti in raster).
If the 5080 doesn't at least equal the 4090, i think it will do badly on reviews.