NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

[wunkley]

You raise valid and very logical points. But I am within about 1000 points of beating my 4090 and 9800x3d score. So for me I will either break the score with my 5080 or I will break my 5080 either way one of them is getting broke

Haha. I know what you mean though! You get the bee in your bonnet and then it's got to be done. I'll push mine to crying point soon just to see what it can do....

 

[GoRedwings19]

Same. people are moaning about it non stop, but I'm happy. got my PNY for close to MSRP (not seen a 4080s near MSRP for a long long time) stays really cool, far quieter than my 3080 was and it overclocks like mad.

It's funny you should say that like when you look collectively across the web the 5080 is getting panned and rightly so. So they have made up their mind on it. But they don't know or rather not acknowledge the overclocking headroom which allows it to become a semi viable choice or another option. Like someone coming from a 3080 and older I don't think they would be disappointed with the card per se. Sure the entry price, availability will sting but it has been that way for the past few years. And while it is no 4090 slayer in quite a few games it can come within single digits fps. It's a lot closer than people would think. Of course there will be games where it doesn't come close. And tbh as much flak as it gets in my view it the third fastest card overall.

People keep saying it only has 16gb and you know what they are right. But to keep on about it ad nauseam then go buy a 4090 or 5090. Originally my plan was to get 2 5090 for my setups and the thought of the 5080 never ever entered my mind. But with everything going with the 5090 and looks like we are in for a very very long wait getting the 5080 as a stop gap hasn't been that bad to be truthful in fact it has been a pleasant surprise. I have yet to use stuff like MFG and what not but that's not what I got the card for. And dare I say it if it comes down to waiting longer than 6 months to a year for a 5090 then I rather muck about with the 5080 lineup till the 6xxx series comes out.

 

[bluesouljah]

It's funny you should say that like when you look collectively across the web the 5080 is getting panned and rightly so. So they have made up their mind on it. But they don't know or rather not acknowledge the overclocking headroom which allows it to become a semi viable choice or another option. Like someone coming from a 3080 and older I don't think they would be disappointed with the card per se. Sure the entry price, availability will sting but it has been that way for the past few years. And while it is no 4090 slayer in quite a few games it can come within single digits fps. It's a lot closer than people would think. Of course there will be games where it doesn't come close. And tbh as much flak as it gets in my view it the third fastest card overall.

People keep saying it only has 16gb and you know what they are right. But to keep on about it ad nauseam then go buy a 4090 or 5090. Originally my plan was to get 2 5090 for my setups and the thought of the 5080 never ever entered my mind. But with everything going with the 5090 and looks like we are in for a very very long wait getting the 5080 as a stop gap hasn't been that bad to be truthful in fact it has been a pleasant surprise. I have yet to use stuff like MFG and what not but that's not what I got the card for. And dare I say it if it comes down to waiting longer than 6 months to a year for a 5090 then I rather muck about with the 5080 lineup till the 6xxx series comes out.

Apparently its a great overclocker, any idea how much headroom there is on a 5090? Probably not too much, I'd imagine.

 

[GoRedwings19]

Apparently its a great overclocker, any idea how much headroom there is on a 5090? Probably not too much, I'd imagine.

With the 5090 being an extremely high wattage card and at the limit of the 12vpwr cable I would not expect it to have a high overclock headroom as the 5080. Kinda the same scenario as the old 3090ti another bloodsucker of power. The suprim 3090ti was like 520w-550w this was of course before undervolting and the asus strix 3090ti well let's just say you could open up wormholes with the amount of power that guzzled....when overclocked.

Of course naturally I had to test it out when I owned them. Let's just say I had two PC's with intel Arrowlake and raptor lake and both with 3090ti's the heat dumped out was unbelievable...

 

[uscool]

It's funny you should say that like when you look collectively across the web the 5080 is getting panned and rightly so. So they have made up their mind on it. But they don't know or rather not acknowledge the overclocking headroom which allows it to become a semi viable choice or another option. Like someone coming from a 3080 and older I don't think they would be disappointed with the card per se. Sure the entry price, availability will sting but it has been that way for the past few years. And while it is no 4090 slayer in quite a few games it can come within single digits fps. It's a lot closer than people would think. Of course there will be games where it doesn't come close. And tbh as much flak as it gets in my view it the third fastest card overall.

People keep saying it only has 16gb and you know what they are right. But to keep on about it ad nauseam then go buy a 4090 or 5090. Originally my plan was to get 2 5090 for my setups and the thought of the 5080 never ever entered my mind. But with everything going with the 5090 and looks like we are in for a very very long wait getting the 5080 as a stop gap hasn't been that bad to be truthful in fact it has been a pleasant surprise. I have yet to use stuff like MFG and what not but that's not what I got the card for. And dare I say it if it comes down to waiting longer than 6 months to a year for a 5090 then I rather muck about with the 5080 lineup till the 6xxx series comes out.

You shouldn't have to relay on silicon lottery when paying £1k+

 

[GoRedwings19]

You shouldn't have to relay on silicon lottery when paying £1k+

I agree, I think with teh 5080's it less about silicone lottery and more a case of all of them are gonna clock well. Just how well is anyone guess. I have been following the members here who have the 5080's which is still not really a good indicator of how well these clock and even then not everyone wants to overclock. But the amount it can overclock well that just free performance being left on the table. At stock it is what maybe 10 fps faster than a 4080/4080 super and way behind a 4090. Get it to 3.2ghz now you have a card which is like 20-25fps faster than a 4080/super and within single digits of the 4090 performance. There are a few peeps here with the gaming trios and from the people who have posted about it they can do the full on gnarly +400/+450 on the core and +2000 on the mem. Does that mean all trios can do this? it too small a sample size. Like there is like about 3 of us. Most other people got the zotac, PNY. I was hoping someone here would start a 5080 only thread. So we could compare and swap observations. That would be of great interest to me and give me a chance to learn more.

Now I am not saying anyone should sell a 4090 to get a 5080 far from it. But the overclocked 5080 makes it an option for people who don't want to pay the 4090/5090 prices at this time. It still a hell of a lot of money either way you slice it. And as fast as the 4090 and 5090 are not everyone can afford that kinda of outlay on a GPU. So that leaves us with either the 4080 or the 5080. And the 4080 is nothing to shout about overclocking wise and I have owned a few.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

It is the worst generation in history from both an absolute performance increase and price/performance perspective - and it's not even close.

Worst so far. :’(

 

[mattp1986]

With the 5090 being an extremely high wattage card and at the limit of the 12vpwr cable I would not expect it to have a high overclock headroom as the 5080. Kinda the same scenario as the old 3090ti another bloodsucker of power. The suprim 3090ti was like 520w-550w this was of course before undervolting and the asus strix 3090ti well let's just say you could open up wormholes with the amount of power that guzzled....when overclocked.

Of course naturally I had to test it out when I owned them. Let's just say I had two PC's with intel Arrowlake and raptor lake and both with 3090ti's the heat dumped out was unbelievable...

Yeah 5090 won't be a great overclocker, it's already pushing the 12vhpwr to it's spec limit out of the box. Probably another reason why the AIB models aren't really any faster than the FE, looking at most reviews it's 3% max.
Kinda makes getting any other 5090 than FE pointless imo, especially when some are almost £1k more expensive

 

[Richdog]

Well, some very interesting benchmarks results have come out for the RTX5090! Basically if you play at VR resolutions, which are much higher than flatscreen gaming, the almost 2x bandwidth of the 5090 over the 4090 causes dramatic increases in performance in some games, sometimes more than double the performance of the 4090!

Basically the higher the resolution, the more the RTX5090 shines. Sometimes it barely even loses performance as you go up in resolution.

I realize this may only be of interest to a few people, but it's a clear demonstration of where crazy high memory bandwidth starts to pay dividends at crazy high resolutions that we just have not see so far in regular reviews where only flatscreen gaming is tested.

 

[andybird123]

Well, some very interesting benchmarks results have come out for the RTX5090! Basically if you play at VR resolutions, which are much higher than flatscreen gaming, the almost 2x bandwidth of the 5090 over the 4090 causes dramatic increases in performance in some games, sometimes more than double the performance of the 4090!

Basically the higher the resolution, the more the RTX5090 shines. Sometimes it barely even loses performance as you go up in resolution.

I realize this may only be of interest to a few people, but it's a clear demonstration of where crazy high memory bandwidth starts to pay dividends at crazy high resolutions that we just have not see so far in regular reviews where only flatscreen gaming is tested.

He's running a quest headset at 400%. There is no headset that is 4x the resolution of a quest.

At native (bearing in mind all headsets over render anyway to allow for the distortion correction) there was no difference between 4090 and 5090.

There is no actual use case for this, and he says as much in the video, he literally just kept turning up the resolution just to see if he could force a situation to make the 5090 look good because at default settings it wasn't getting any extra FPS over a 4090.

This would be the same as a flat panel reviewer forcing ridiculous high super sampling on just for ***** and giggles.

 

[Nitefly]

It is the worst generation in history from both an absolute performance increase and price/performance perspective - and it's not even close.

What makes you say the part in bold?

 

[BS Dave]

Do we think they'll fix the PCI-e problem of the FE with a revision of the I/O board, or just pretend it's not a thing??

 

[harmattan]

What makes you say the part in bold?

Because if the pricing would have been reasonable e.g. 5080 was £900 (or even actually sold at £1000), we would have at least had that. As it stands, we got super meager performance improvement and bad pricing.

 

[Nitefly]

Because if the pricing would have been reasonable e.g. 5080 was £900 (or even actually sold at £1000), we would have at least had that. As it stands, we got super meager performance improvement and bad pricing.

As far as I can tell it’s really not that bad on the price / performance front:

In fact, going by that chart there isn’t a single card that can actually outperform the 5080 whilst offering better performance / price.

 

[john_smith]

I think that chart asumes MSRP.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

In fact, going by that chart there isn’t a single card that can actually outperform the 5080 whilst offering better performance / price.

PMSL .... I need not give an explaination

I think that chart asumes MSRP.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

BTW any news on the 5070 thai ?

Stock availability / levels ?

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

I think that chart asumes MSRP.

And we know that isn't happening for months, if at all this generation. I've just seen an MSI 5090 Trio sell out instantly for £500 over it's £2500 MSRP. There is no supply and enough nutters buying them for scalped prices from retailers. What a world we live in.

 

[harmattan]

As far as I can tell it’s really not that bad on the price / performance front:

Charts like these are rather two-dimensional, and don't really tell the story over time: it's only showing you price/performance at present. A card that is two+ years newer, that is sold at the exact same price as it's predecessor in the same tier, should have significantly higher price/performance (~30% is normal). What we have is a measly 12% increase over 4080 Super. It's basically unprecendented in the history of graphics cards gen-on-gen improvements.

Moreover and importantly, it's time to call a spade a spade: 5080 (or 5090) will not be sold at RRP/MSRP in volume whereas nearly all those cards in the list were. This was the plan for nV which they kicked off with ADA, driven by them increasing BAP costs (and thereby cutting margins) for AIBs. It is not a £1000 card, more like £1200 - and it won't be sold at RRP in volume even after supply has stabilized. RRP is effectively something nV states to get consumers in the door -- it's the base trim model in the car shoeroom that's never available that exists soley to set a spring board for more expensive trims..

 

[Nitefly]

I think that chart asumes MSRP.

Yes, it does.

It’s worth remembering that (I) we are just over a week into the 50 series launch (II) the 30 series was unobtanium for a very long time and (III) the 4090 AIB cards were similarly overpriced for a good time post-launch:

… and the above is significantly lower than the actual prices that some models were later sold for by OcUK:

You can browse old Reddit threads and see this being discussed if you like.

… I think it would be a bit ‘revisionist’ to say that cards being sold over MSRP at launch is exclusively a 50 series thing. It’s clearly not. Yes, the 50 series is suffering from additional supply shortage because of the Chinese new year release window and that is contributing to the situation.