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Nvidia still reporting 40nm probs to analysts

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SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Silicon foundry giant Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSMC) is still having yield issues with its 40-nm process, according to analysts.

TSMC's 40-nm yield problems surfaced earlier this year, but the company claimed it largely resolved the problem. However, during a conference call on Thursday, graphics chip maker Nvidia Corp. discussed 40-nm capacity and yield constraints at its foundry partner--TSMC.

Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s graphics chip group is also seeing similar problems at TSMC, but not all are suffering with lackluster yields. John Daane, president, chief executive, and chairman of the board of Altera Corp., said that the FPGA house has been shipping parts, based on a 40-nm process from TSMC. ''The yields are good,'' Daane told EE Times.

Nvidia, in contrast, has been vocal about the yield problems. ''Overnight, Nvidia discussed 40-nm capacity constraints at its foundry supplier TSMC,'' said Barclays Capital analyst C.J. Muse.

''Management discussed yields improving but that allocations still remain inadequate. Though yields were improving, they were important enough for TSMC to mention a chamber matching problem on its conference call earlier this earnings cycle,'' he said in a report, which is based on Nvidia's conference call to discuss its results.

Reports surfaced that TSMC is having issues with its ion implanter supplier, causing a shortfall of 40-nm parts. ''Demand (at Nvidia) far exceeded supply, particularly in the 40-nm product area; the company is in a 'sold out' situation and this is likely to continue for the next several months. Virtually all products are on allocation with very lean inventories in the channel,'' said Hans Mosesmann, an analyst with Raymond James & Associates, in a report.

''Both AMD and Nvidia are supply constrained, and Nvidia is likely getting most of the allocation,'' he said. AMD's graphics chip unit is also using TSMC as a foundry.

''With both AMD and Nvidia being supply constrained, the supposed 2-month AMD market advantage in new DX-11 GPU's is irrelevant in our view. AMD just missed an important window of opportunity this season in our opinion,'' he said.
 

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how the hell amd missed the window of opportunity if they released the cards first , it's other way around tbh
 
blame tsmc for failure of them putting uncompetitive/loss making parts to market, and the lead ati have not mattering sounds like sweet talking the investors to keep them on side.
 
It's more like, NVIDIA is lucky TSMC can't supply enough to AMD/ATi, or am I seeing this wrong?
 
I read somewhere in early december that AMD had shifted 800,000 DX11 pieces .I would imagine that to be 1 million by now.Plus there about to release all the low end cards which would be good for the big companies etc.Id hardly call it irrelevant whilst nvidia have sold how many dx 11 pieces of hardware????
And no im not an ATI fanboy.I want Nvidia to pull there finger out and give ATI some competition so we as consumers benefit :)
 
I read somewhere in early december that AMD had shifted 800,000 DX11 pieces .I would imagine that to be 1 million by now.Plus there about to release all the low end cards which would be good for the big companies etc.Id hardly call it irrelevant whilst nvidia have sold how many dx 11 pieces of hardware????
And no im not an ATI fanboy.I want Nvidia to pull there finger out and give ATI some competition so we as consumers benefit :)

It sounds like it's beyond NVidia's control, if they aren't confident with TSMC's 40nm process then you can't blame them for wanting to wait.

Whilst AMD have the lead 5xxx launch has been one of the worst that I can recall and we don't really know how many chips AMD have had to throw away due to bad yields, it could have hit them hard financially.
 
I doubt ATI would be paying for lost chip due to yields, I would have thought ATI are turnkey with TSMC, ie they hand over the design a say sell me x number, TSMC are probably the ones taking the hit.
 
I doubt ATI would be paying for lost chip due to yields, I would have thought ATI are turnkey with TSMC, ie they hand over the design a say sell me x number, TSMC are probably the ones taking the hit.

That is not normally how it works. ATI or whoever pay for a wafer of silcon, TSMC print the specified design on the wafer (yes, this terminology is wrong).

If ATI get bad yields then ATI takes on the financial incurment.
Otherwise any company could make a horifically design chip that is far too complex for the process and get terrible yields and would expect TSMC to foot the bill.


TSMC may change prices depending on how good the average yield is for an average chip.
 
"''Demand (at Nvidia) far exceeded supply, particularly in the 40-nm product area; the company is in a 'sold out' situation and this is likely to continue for the next several months."

... Nvidia only has low performance GPU's on 40nm, and I doubt that they are having huge issues with supply for those chips- just like AMD have no problems with the 57*0 supply as it's a less complex GPU.

"''With both AMD and Nvidia being supply constrained, the supposed 2-month AMD market advantage in new DX-11 GPU's is irrelevant in our view. AMD just missed an important window of opportunity this season in our opinion,'' he said."

Two months? AMD released their DX11 chip in late september, so that's already over 3 months, and it's very likely that Nvidia won't have Fermi ramped up until march, so 2 months could really be 5 months.
Also if AMD didn't have supply issues(i.e the tsmc 40nm process been good), then it's likely that Nvidia would already have released Fermi.
 
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