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NVIDIA's Stupidity?

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I've waited a few days just to see whether this is a typo but it obiously isn't. Wether this is Overclockers or NVIDIA I don't know but I'm guessing its NVIDIA because its the kind of stupid thing they will do...

Right, the 295, was orginially manufactured on 2 PCB's - costs to much to make, not enough profit. Single 295 (solve the probelm), costs less to make, make more profit, and sell for less/same price?

No.. the single PCB is MORE expensive? WHY?

The single PCB does NOT run any better, quieter, or more power effectient, and it only runs 'slightly' cooler, so why is it more expensive, for the SAME card, that costs NVIDIA, LESS to make?

Aren't NVIDIA in enough trouble as it is rather than making their equipment more and more expensive, for no reason other than greed?

If I am wrong or talking nonsense by all means say so but im utterly confused as I was under the impression the Single PCB would sell for less as it costs NVIDIA less to make, thus making more profit and more sales?

If this is just Overclockers pricing then apologies to NVIDIA, as I can't seem to find many other main retailers offering the single PCB edition.
 
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I understand your feelings - it does seem rather incongruous that the 1 pcb cost £15 more than the dual board ones.

However, It has only been recently that the GTX 295s (2 pcb) have dropped under £400 and that was likely due to the impending 1 pcb version launch - so I can understand why they would slash prices to get rid of stock.

These new 1 PCB may have been out for over a week but I don't think they have arrived in massive quantities (many manufacturers have not launched their versions yet, personally i'm looking forward to a BFG one). This has likely kept prices up, hopefully when they start flooding the market, we will see prices fall.
 
cmndr_andi said:
I understand your feelings - it does seem rather incongruous that the 1 pcb cost £15 more than the dual board ones.

However, It has only been recently that the GTX 295s (2 pcb) have dropped under £400 and that was likely due to the impending 1 pcb version launch - so I can understand why they would slash prices to get rid of stock.

These new 1 PCB may have been out for over a week but I don't think they have arrived in massive quantities (many manufacturers have not launched their versions yet, personally i'm looking forward to a BFG one). This has likely kept prices up, hopefully when they start flooding the market, we will see prices fall.
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Yeah I'm guessing it's mainly due to lack of competition from other manufactures and retailers, but still, it would be nice to see a realistic 50 quid drop or so but hey, its computers, nothing ever goes down in price until the next wave of tech is out, by which time its out of date anyway lol :)
 
Nvida are annoying me as well.

A. I want to try a Nvida card out, but guess what too expesnive, I can afford them, but why should I buy one at this point, nothing special.
B.when I was building my system before i7 came out I was going to get SLI but I heard they had big issues so for that reason i didn't.
 
well lets just hope ATI get there new cards out and are cheaper and a lot faster than the nvidia cards and nvidia lose a lot of custom through it
 
sunderland said:
well lets just hope ATI get there new cards out and are cheaper and a lot faster than the nvidia cards and nvidia lose a lot of custom through it
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I did hear rumors over the web that Nvida are trying to help AMD put thier physics on the radeons, not sure if its true or not...AMD being stuborn as normal.

I hope the new radeons are specail like back in 2004 when the 9800XT ruled :P
 
'Laws' of supply and demand... if there is little stock and MUCH demand/interest, expect the price tag to carry a premium for being first to own one. Yes, logically it makes no sense at all, but unfortunately it's what usually happens with low stock:high demand.
 
woohoomoo said:
'Laws' of supply and demand... if there is little stock and MUCH demand/interest, expect the price tag to carry a premium for being first to own one. Yes, logically it makes no sense at all, but unfortunately it's what usually happens with low stock:high demand.
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yeah there are other reasons to, to due with Nvida yeilds and stuff.

but look at the HD4770 amd CAN'T SUPPLY it so why still so cheap ?
 
The 295 is the best card out.....I would expect the price to fall significantly as we approach the next-gen launches though.

The 4870x2 would not be the price it is right now if it was top dog and had as much of a market share as nvidia. I would not really blame the company for making normal business decisions. Don't forget these companies exist to take our money.
 
The single-PCB 295 is expensive because it's a new product. If you follow PC hardware in any detail you will be aware that the pricing of new products varies throughout the product's life cycle. It starts high because early adopters are willing to pay a lot for the latest tech, and the company needs to recoup some of the massive cost of R+D. As more people buy the product and retailers get an idea of prices which suit the market, the price of the product should stabilize and usually falls.
 
Yes, I think we're all familiar with what it is :p I meant how does it relate to high 295 prices...?
 
I linked cos of my bad spelling :P

well I think it does related as anything new, that blows everything in to the ditch is expesnive till something better comes alone like say the DX11 radeons. than they will take its place, normally. it could be supply and demand issues as well or just the fact that it costs Nvida a lot to make.
 
...but moore's law deals with how transistor count doubles every 18 months....the 295 has the same amount of transistors and it the same tech as before...they just managed to cram both GPUs on 1 PCB which is nothing new. Was done ages ago with 3dfx
 
ops I got mixed up with something else :confused:
sorry ,in my defense its boiling in this room.

yeah like you said, it is a new product.. and the company of course needs to recover from that, I also think its expesnive due to the amount it costs to build the thing as well. I think that is the reason.
 
AMG said:
I did hear rumors over the web that Nvida are trying to help AMD put thier physics on the radeons, not sure if its true or not...AMD being stuborn as normal.

I hope the new radeons are specail like back in 2004 when the 9800XT ruled :P
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Santa Clara, California-based graphics chip maker NVIDIA is said to be working on enabling its prestigious CUDA technology for AMD's GPUs. This solution will enable application developers to optimize their products for use on GPUs from both NVIDIA and AMD, using the CUDA technology. Consequently, this will enable NVIDIA, currently the world's leading vendor of graphics processing units, to gain from the GPU sales of its main competitor, AMD.



There are a number of general purpose GPU (GPGPU) computing standards available today, including OpenCL and Microsoft's DirectX Compute, both of which are currently supported by two leading graphics chip makers, NVIDIA and AMD. However, the two rival companies have also developed their own solutions, with NVIDIA placing a big bet on its CUDA technology, and AMD trying to make up for lost space with its Stream solution. However, according to a recent news-article on the techradar, citing NVIDIA's chief scientist, Bill Dally, the company could be working on further expanding the working environment for its CUDA solution.



“In the future you'll be able to run C with CUDA extensions on a broader range of platforms, so I don't think that will be a fundamental limitation.” Dally said. While not directly confirming the support for AMD's platforms, he added, “I'm familiar with some projects that are underway to enable CUDA on other platforms.”



NVIDIA has gained the appreciation of a considerable number of application developers, a statement that can be verified by taking a look at the hundreds of applications that have been ported over to CUDA, available on the specially designed CUDA Zone website. The comparison to AMD's own solutions makes up for NVIDIA's strong interest in the fast-growing segment, where AMD is yet to make up for lost ground to its competitor.



“There are just a handful of things, and they're generally things that are already available in CUDA. CUDA has just got a lot more traction among the people who are programming parallel applications. It's an easier language to use,” Dally stated.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-CUDA-Technology-Could-Support-AMD-GPUs-115397.shtml
 
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