o2 shockingly changing the Ts & Cs- anything I can do about it?

SiD the Turtle · 10 Oct 2006 at 12:52

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/10/o2_caves_on_t_and_c/

Now they can log the location, length and times of calls. Its the location thing that gets me. However by using the service I am deemed to having accepted these conditions. That's not on.

Any way to get out of it? Can I say I don't accept and cancel?

Jay · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:04

I got out of the o2 contract when they made changes to the terms and conditions back in July. I wrote straight to the MD and he sorted it.

SiD the Turtle · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:05

Did you compain and they cancelled it or something?

Out of curiosity what changes didn't you like?

DJMK4 · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:18

SiD the Turtle said:
Did you compain and they cancelled it or something?

Out of curiosity what changes didn't you like?

"Customers who object to the changes have little option to do anything about it, as the changes clearly state: "Please note by using the service you will be deemed to have accepted these terms and conditions." ®"

Why are people fussed about this new t&c?? What difference will it make to you

SiD the Turtle · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:23

[Sniper][Wolf] said:
"Customers who object to the changes have little option to do anything about it, as the changes clearly state: "Please note by using the service you will be deemed to have accepted these terms and conditions." ®"

Why are people fussed about this new t&c?? What difference will it make to you

I'm one of those crazy people who actually cares who has data about him. I like my privacy and don't like the idea of them having a record of where I am all the time. Despite the data protection act I am aware that o2 is selling my data anyway despite my compaints, and its not a step or two away from them doing focused marketing and the like. I may sound a little hyped up but I am very protective of my info!

DJMK4 · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:27

SiD the Turtle said:
I'm one of those crazy people who actually cares who has data about him. I like my privacy and don't like the idea of them having a record of where I am all the time. Despite the data protection act I am aware that o2 is selling my data anyway despite my compaints, and its not a step or two away from them doing focused marketing and the like. I may sound a little hyped up but I am very protective of my info!

But terms and conditions or not o2 can still access your info and i wouldnt be surprised if they can already find out your location by you making a call. Sooner all later all teleco's are going to be like this, where do you think all these talks about mobile tracking systems are coming from?

SiD the Turtle · 10 Oct 2006 at 13:30

[Sniper][Wolf] said:
But terms and conditions or not o2 can still access your info and i wouldnt be surprised if they can already find out your location by you making a call. Sooner all later all teleco's are going to be like this, where do you think all these talks about mobile tracking systems are coming from?

Oh I'm sure they already can by seeing what cell you are using, but the change in ts and cs legitimises it. And yes probably one day they will all go this way, but it doesn't mean we have to be apethetic about it.

Hmm reading my posts I sound a little crazy.

DJMK4 · 10 Oct 2006 at 14:12

SiD the Turtle said:
Oh I'm sure they already can by seeing what cell you are using, but the change in ts and cs legitimises it. And yes probably one day they will all go this way, but it doesn't mean we have to be apethetic about it.

Hmm reading my posts I sound a little crazy.

Nah i understand where your coming from

mrochester · 10 Oct 2006 at 14:20

I think tracking location, length and times of calls is for legal reasons. If someone has done something illegal even remotely involving mobile phones, then O2 can hand over whatever data they have to the authorities.

JAMAL · 10 Oct 2006 at 17:14

Unless your doing something dodgy i dont see what the problem is to be honest.

Christo · 10 Oct 2006 at 18:01

Apart from the moral implications - is this a good way to get out of the contract without paying any monthly fees?

mrochester · 10 Oct 2006 at 18:34

Chrisp7 said:
Apart from the moral implications - is this a good way to get out of the contract without paying any monthly fees?

I doubt you'd get out of the contract with these changes. I think you can only cancel the contract if the changes disadvantage you significantly; ie, huge price increases etc. These changes don't really disadvantage you at all, other than possibly making it more difficult for someone to do something illegal, and that's hardly a disadvantage at all!

niteflite01 · 11 Oct 2006 at 01:22

The technology exists to discover the rough triangulated location of most mobile phones regardless of whether the phone is switched on or not.

When you enter certain secure sites you are now instructed to remove the battery from your mobile telephone to prevent this, and to prevent the phone being used surveillance-wise (there are some devious security/surveillance services with telephones that operate seemingly normally, but who's microphone and cameras can be activated remotely).

Just how paranoid do you really want to get?

Maz · 11 Oct 2006 at 02:34

Whoa PARANOIA kicking in!!!!

Craig321 · 11 Oct 2006 at 02:47

SiD the Turtle said:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/10/o2_caves_on_t_and_c/

Now they can log the location, length and times of calls. Its the location thing that gets me. However by using the service I am deemed to having accepted these conditions. That's not on.

Any way to get out of it? Can I say I don't accept and cancel?

Cancel if you're worried about it.

But why be worried about it if you're not running from anyone?

Christo · 11 Oct 2006 at 03:37

I am not that worried about it - however - have you heard of a book called 1984?

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 09:06

Craig321 said:
Cancel if you're worried about it.

But why be worried about it if you're not running from anyone?

...

Chrisp7 said:
I am not that worried about it - however - have you heard of a book called 1984?

Exactly! I not a criminal on the run (if I was I would have a stolen phone, not a contract phone!) but I don't agree with the idea of people knowing where I am all the time. I have a right to privacy.

niteflite01 · 11 Oct 2006 at 10:50

If they really wanted to know where you were, the security services could get an order from the home secretary permitting the tracking and monitoring of your communications, in any form, anyway.

It's what happens to terrorists and other miscreants, regardless of what the T&C's of their mobile contracts say.

SiD the Turtle · 11 Oct 2006 at 10:54

niteflite01 said:
If they really wanted to know where you were, the security services could get an order from the home secretary permitting the tracking and monitoring of your communications, in any form, anyway.

It's what happens to terrorists and other miscreants, regardless of what the T&C's of their mobile contracts say.

But I'm not a terrorist or miscreant, so I don't want o2 watching me. If I was, then its my own fault and I can't complain about the surveilance.

My moan isn't about government snooping anyway, I just beleive that o2 is going to mine this data to sell it on, and I'll end gettings more idiot phoning me. Currently its just random companies trying to sell me phones (o2 has given them all my details) but soon it could be a company saying 'we see you spend a lot of time in x place. Would you be interested in y?.

niteflite01 · 11 Oct 2006 at 10:56

Yup, I can kind of dig that. And with the introduction and increase of RFID technology, this sort of thing is something we should all start to worry about I think.

As for this case though, not sure what you can do about it, to be honest