Office Computer for Grandfather.

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Any ideas? He does mostly office oriented work. He spends a great deal of time in LibreOffice Writer and Calc. He watches videos online and tends to have quite a lot of web pages open in Firefox.

He doesn't clean his computer often though and his last PC which is very ancient now is very slow. It took like 10-15 minutes just to install a LibreOffice update yesterday. The download itself was throttled, presumably because of the disks being too slow but possibly due to the dual core, mega old CPU trying to process what was being downloaded. Due to the system being old, I doubt there is a point in upgrading the thing because the mobo is probably over 10 years old. I'll find out the specs of the hardware later today and jot them down here but yesterday was the first time (when I was helping my Grandfather with something) that we both noticed how in need of an upgrade he was.

Although he doesn't do it often, he sometimes pops on Flight Simulator X too - obviously the settings are lower, etc, and he isn't a gamer, but he did have flying lessons years back so he likes to pop on there on the odd occasion. On the old system, I don't even think he played it on there, but instead his more powerful, but still pretty low end second computer, which he uses for backup. Even on there the game runs at low frame rates on low settings. Not expecting MAX settings at 60fps or anything like that, but modest performance at a good frame rate, even though he barely touches the game lol.

Note he also plugs an absolute TON of stuff into USBs... I mean, a ridiculous amount of things! While he has a mains powered HUB, getting as many things running off of the system USBs as possible will be nice, so it'd be grand if his PC for office use wasn't scraping the bar on the power supply (which many office pre-builts do).

He needs a CPU which is capable of a lot of file transfers. He does lots of backups and worries about losing a lot of important files. A slow ass bargain basement CPU is obviously not adequate enough, especially if he is going to transfer lots of files frequently... mega slowness sucks.

Ideally, he needs something that is going to last over 5+ years for predominantly office work, but still have enough oomph for multi-tasking, a light touch of gaming and other various multimedia tasks. This system has to last yet it has to be fairly cheap. It wasn't that long ago that my Grandfather shelled out a lot for a new carpet, painted walls and a new sofa (trust me, he deserved it, my Dad when he was a little boy still remembered the same walls and floors from when he was a boy and it's only just gone - my Dad is nearly 50 lol).

Ideas? I'd be willing to buy pre-built, but if it comes to it and I have to, then I will build it him myself from parts.

The reason I also ask is because I'm not up to speed in regards to price vs performance in when it comes to multimedia hardware and as such, I am confused by the array of lower spec hardware, although I'd imagine an i3 is a good choice, since those would likely obliterate the Semprons, Athlons and Celerons. I know the A series isn't particularly good at the lower end, but how bad, I wouldn't know... however I think the integrated graphics of some of the APU chips are better than Intel's and as such can save cost and the need for a separate card.

Suggestions?

Thanks for any help given. I'll check back.

:)

Peace
 
HI,

Is there any sort of budget for this as "fairly cheap" can mean anything.

If he wants a whole new PC then he could start here,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Asus H81M-K Intel Core i5 DIY Micro ATX Motherboard, CPU & RAM Bundle £225.97
1 x **B Grade** Sapphire Radeon R7 265 Dual-X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £79.99
1 x Crucial MX100 256GB SATA 2.5” 7mm SSD + 9.5mm Adapter (CT256MX100SSD1) £79.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD £61.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £53.99
1 x BitFenix Neos ATX Tower Black/Silver £29.99
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £638.00 (includes shipping : £11.75).



You get more value for money building it yourself.

Or for cheap office pre-built PCs you have,

YOUR BASKET
1 x "Primo Pro iX" Configurable Intel Pentium / Core i3/i5 Office PC £108.00
- 1 x Standard Build Systems - Dispatched within 7 working days £0.00
- 1 x OcUK Standard System Warranty - 3 Year (24 Month C&R + 12 Month Labour) £0.00
- 1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
- 1 x ESET Smart Security - Trial Key £0.00
- 1 x Intel Core i3-4130 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £89.99
- 1 x Kingston HyperX Genesis 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX) £67.99
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) HDD £36.95
- 1 x No Second Hard Drive Option (ZERO Cost) £0.00
- 1 x OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £19.99
- 1 x Networking Not Selected £0.00
Total : £419.51 (includes shipping : £15.50).



Which wont run FSX as there is no decent GFX in it.


Or this cheap "gaming" pc,

YOUR BASKET
1 x "Defender X4" AMD FX-4 4300 @ 4.0GHz Turbo AMD Radeon Quad Core Gaming PC £221.98
- 1 x ESET Smart Security - Trial Key £0.00
- 1 x No Sound Card Upgrade £0.00
- 1 x No Second Hard Drive Option (ZERO Cost) £0.00
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST500DM002) HDD £36.95
- 1 x Sapphire Radeon R7 260X OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (11222-06-20G) £79.99
- 1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £59.99
- 1 x BitFenix Neos ATX Tower Black/Red £29.99
- 1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
- 1 x OcUK Standard System Warranty - 3 Year (24 Month C&R + 12 Month Labour) £0.00
- 1 x Standard Build Systems - Dispatched within 7 working days £0.00
Total : £516.48 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Kingston 240GB SSDNow V300 Drive SATA 6Gb/s 3 2.5" (7mm height) Solid State Hard Drive - (SV300S37A/240G) £64.98
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £59.99
1 x Gigabyte B85M-DS3H Intel B85 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £53.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £49.99
1 x EVGA 500W 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply (100-B1-0500-KR) £41.99
1 x BitFenix Neos ATX Tower Black/Black £29.99
Total : £314.42 (includes shipping : £11.25).




I'd be looking at something like this as a base, then adding in peripherals (CD drive mechanical HDDs, GPU) as required and you'll need windows too unless you're going Linux.
 
Hi. Thanks for the replies so far.

Office work and watching HD video is the primary. It needs to pack a punch for as little as possible.

My grandfather has a keyboard, a mouse, speakers, a good monitor and various other peripherals, so overall it is just the machine that is necessary.

If we could somehow keep it under £400, that'd be great. I've not actually asked him his budget yet and I'm yet to check the old PC to see what it actually had in it (because it was actually upgrade numerous years back by his son).

Will get back to you all. Thanks again for replying.

And yes, I know building gets better value, as I actually bought all of my parts from OCUK a couple of years back to build my gaming PC. I've since replaced the power supply as well to a SuperFlower Golden Green 650w which I got from here too ^-^.

:)
 
Ah a budget is good.

Then im just going to leave this here if you build yourself,

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Piledriver FX-6 Six Core 6300 Black Edition 3.50GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £79.99
1 x **B Grade** Sapphire Radeon R7 265 Dual-X 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £79.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £59.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £53.99
1 x Gigabyte 970A-DS3P AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £50.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x BitFenix Neos ATX Tower Black/Silver £29.99
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £422.98 (includes shipping : £11.75).




But no OS.


Or the APU route,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £71.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV "Frost Edition" 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit £59.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 350W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £41.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Gigabyte F2A88XM-DS2 AMD A88X (Socket FM2+) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £39.95
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £380.39 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Reason why im flipping between different cases is that the Rajintek has USB3.0 ports yet some boards do not have internal USB3.0 headers, so these ports will effectively be non working.

APUs love fast RAM for the onboard gfx.
 
I think nvidia cards/GPU are better at FSX by far compared to AMD, no idea why but they just are - have read it from multiple sources :)
The motherboard stock should have refreshed by now and be shipping with a later BIOS which'll support the G3528

You get free shipping with this OP;

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £107.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2133HC11ADC01) £65.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Asus H81M-K Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £37.99
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £428.44 (includes shipping : £8.00).



I also believe FSX is CPU bound, so you could possibly chuck a £10-15 CPU cooler in there and clock the Pentium K which will improve the performance decently and should make some nice gains from the extra clock speed (however let me check if this motherboard is one of the one's that might be able to overclock... )
EDIT: Okay, looking at a couple of posts it seems these boards can OC;

Asus B85M-G - Best result seen 4.5Ghz (cpu ran out of steam)
Asus H81M-plus - Best result seen 4.7Ghz
Asus H81M-E - Best result seen 4.5Ghz (stock cooler)
Gigabyte B85M-D2V - Best result seen 4.4Ghz (stock cooler)
(Thanks to pastymuncher for the list off a post)



So look at something like this;

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £107.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2133HC11ADC01) £65.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £49.99
1 x Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £40.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £431.44 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
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I think nvidia cards/GPU are better at FSX by far compared to AMD, no idea why but they just are - have read it from multiple sources :)
The motherboard stock should have refreshed by now and be shipping with a later BIOS which'll support the G3528

You get free shipping with this OP;

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £107.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2133HC11ADC01) £65.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £49.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Asus H81M-K Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £37.99
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £428.44 (includes shipping : £8.00).



I also believe FSX is CPU bound, so you could possibly chuck a £10-15 CPU cooler in there and clock the Pentium K which will improve the performance decently and should make some nice gains from the extra clock speed (however let me check if this motherboard is one of the one's that might be able to overclock... )
EDIT: Okay, looking at a couple of posts it seems these boards can OC;


(Thanks to pastymuncher for the list off a post)



So look at something like this;

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £107.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2133HC11ADC01) £65.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £49.99
1 x Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £40.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £431.44 (includes shipping : £8.00).


Pity there is no PSU in any of them specs.

Guess we can kiss this goodbye then,

If we could somehow keep it under £400, that'd be great.
 
Godamnit, thought I'd forgotten something lol!

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750-1GD5/OC) £82.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £59.99
1 x Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £41.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Asus H81M-K Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £37.99
1 x EVGA 430W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0430-KR) £31.99
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £411.83 (includes shipping : ).





This should be better
£11 over budget - is that too much OP?
Lower end GPU and CPU but nvidia card should still be favoured and the core performance should be ok, not great but ok
Should be snappy enough for everything else (browsing etc)
However this may possibly be scraping the bar on the PSU, though I haven't heard any horror stories about units like this
 
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Okay, so I just did a quick check on Speccy on my Grandfather's PC. The specs are as follows:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 5050e - Socket AM2 (940).
RAM: 2GB DDR2.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H (780 Chipset) Socket M2.
ATI Radeon HD 3200.
Asus Optical Drive 24x

Again, primarily the work done will be office, but some HD videos will be watched and a lot of stuff will be open, so I wouldn't fancy it slowing down when quite a few things are open.

I don't think he is fairly bothered about the Flight Sim X thing, but if he was able to pull 40-50fps at 1440x900 at moderate settings, then if he chose to try it out again, it wouldn't chug.

As I said before, the PC had upgrades in the past, but these are going back a long way now. Over 5+ years I believe.

:) Hope this info helps + thanks as always.
 
Okay, so I just did a quick check on Speccy on my Grandfather's PC. The specs are as follows:

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 5050e - Socket AM2 (940).
RAM: 2GB DDR2.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA78GPM-DS2H (780 Chipset) Socket M2.
ATI Radeon HD 3200.
Asus Optical Drive 24x

Again, primarily the work done will be office, but some HD videos will be watched and a lot of stuff will be open, so I wouldn't fancy it slowing down when quite a few things are open.

I don't think he is fairly bothered about the Flight Sim X thing, but if he was able to pull 40-50fps at 1440x900 at moderate settings, then if he chose to try it out again, it wouldn't chug.

As I said before, the PC had upgrades in the past, but these are going back a long way now. Over 5+ years I believe.

:) Hope this info helps + thanks as always.

APU wont chug at those settings, I've had a few and even Kaveri managed BF4 at medium settings at 720P.

There is the chance that the ASUS dvd writer could be SATA and so re-used.

In fact you could stick this one in,

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Kaveri 7700K 10 Compute Core APU w/ Radeon R7 Graphics (4 CPU + 6 GPU Compute Cores) - Retail £99.95
Total : £108.65 (includes shipping : £7.25).



And get it even faster and still under £400.
 
Any possibility it could be kept to £350, or is that pushing it too far? lol ;)

Close,


YOUR BASKET
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £71.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV "Frost Edition" 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit £59.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 350W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £41.99
1 x Gigabyte F2A88XM-DS2 AMD A88X (Socket FM2+) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £39.95
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
Total : £366.40 (includes shipping : £8.00).




That is £356.80 with free shipping, which you get or he can get as its a Superflower PSU+case - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18630207

This assumes that his DVD drive can be used.

There are cheaper APU's. but that starts scraping the bottom of the barrel.


YOUR BASKET
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV "Frost Edition" 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit £59.99
1 x AMD A6-6400K 3.90GHz (Socket FM2) APU Richland Dual Core Processor (AD640KOKHLBOX) £47.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 350W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £41.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x Gigabyte F2A88XM-DS2 AMD A88X (Socket FM2+) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £39.95
1 x Raijintek Arcadia Mid Tower USB 3.0 Case - Black £24.95
1 x LG GH24NSB0 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £13.99
Total : £356.39 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
If the fsx isn't a main concentration point then I'd go for an apu then, but if it could become more in the future then go pentium nvidia any day as fsx prefers nvidia by far and gives huge gains compared to amd
Though saying that the rest is quite low - is he likely to upgrade monitor any time soon?
I'd take pentium + discreet gfx now over an apu as you're will get better performance in fsx. Tis more expensive though
 
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Don't worry UKFX, can easily add a GFX card later should he ever want to become a gaming pro.
 
stulid youre the one that fails all the time. You have no idea what to suggest just stick to overclocking youre own machine...
an A6-6400k is what you recommend?

what rubbish, why you recommending such slow junk.

its only got an avg WEI of 6.5 - thats at best a high X2 cpu range... pointless garbage.

Always go intel. Heres a better option for an OFFICE computer that tramples your AMD garbage. Which btw the 4130 is on eta...

an i3 has WEI 7.3

wei might not be an accurate judge of power but it does give a ball park difference of cpus

also 8GB of ram what t f for?
using msword and playing solitare with the odd you tube video uses no more than 2

Flight Simulator X is old as time. hd4400 will trample this old game. that would not use more than 256mb of ram


YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i3-4150 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £92.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit DVD - OEM (WN7-00614) £77.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £41.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £39.95
1 x SuperFlower Amazon 300W "80 Plus Bronze" Power Supply £37.99
1 x Asus H81M-K Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £37.99
1 x Zalman T3 Micro -ATX Case USB 3.0 - Black £20.99
1 x Pioneer 24x Internal DVR-221LBK DVD Rewriter - OEM £13.49
Total : £372.97 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
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No I actually recommend the 5800K.

Dont think I have ever seen anyone use Windows Experience Index before to show how good a CPU is or isn't.
 
well the A10 at least is the better option.

if anyone is considering the A6 at all, then you might as well get a bog standard basic laptop - would be cheaper for the same speed, is all im saying 0_0
 
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