***Official 2010 F1 thread***
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The new fuel tanks are huge, going from 80 to 260 litresI think managing fuel and efficiency is going to be key.
this is why I dont think Lewis will AUTOMATICALLY come out ontop if Button joins McLaren, Lewis isnt great with heavy fuel (and will only get comparitively worse with the fuel for the whole race)
I still think Button should stay with Brawn though - and I also reckon that IF Brawn are actually offering £8m a season as has been released today, then Jenson would have already signed
Im not saying that automatically Brawn will design a championship winning car again - but considering the winter they went through, the stuff they had to hack off the car to actually fit the engine in in the first place, how limited their options where later in the year to devolope this years car - Brawn should be able to come up with a much better car suited to the Mercedes engine (and even the design that was raced this year -without KERS - was approximately eqaul to the McLaren at the end of the season, which says a lot more than some are giving credit for)
laughs at some comparing Kovi to Button, thats just beyond belief - I dont believe Kovi would have even compared to Barrichello in the Brawn this year, yet Button in a McLaren would be just as bad as him
The new fuel tanks are huge, going from 80 to 260 litres
It's a real shame that we ban feruling, thereby making efficiency key (good idea!) but then freeze engine development so no one is actually able to design a more efficient engine!
I agree with you on racing with full tanks Frank. I don't agree Button should stay at Brawn though. They faded too much this year and despite Brawns wry grins when he kept saying "If teams think this is down to the diffuser, they are in for a shock" it turned out to be the case.
The others pretty much pegged them when they adapted a diffuser.
The lack of decent developement would worry me If I was Button especially as the developement never went his way.
I just cannot see Mclaren not having a race winning car next year.
The others pretty much pegged them when they adapted a diffuser.
The lack of decent developement would worry me If I was Button especially as the developement never went his way.
I just cannot see Mclaren not having a race winning car next year.
It's a real shame that we ban feruling, thereby making efficiency key (good idea!) but then freeze engine development so no one is actually able to design a more efficient engine!
Yep totally stupid isn't it, as is the ban on gaining real advantage from kers.
Points for BMW in the first six* races - 10
Points for RBR in the first six races - 44
Hmmm....
Honestly, sunama - why hand me stats like that? It's so easy to pick holes in what you say anyway, why not give us all a damned challenge?
* - I picked six races as the number as it was close to being the first third of the season. If you want to count earlier in the year than that, three races makes it 21 - 8 in favour of RBR. The only way it can come out in BMW's favour is to take just the first two races (8 - 4 to BMW). No doubt you will now declare this a victory for your argument.
Next on the JRS-sunama statistics battle - sunama gives up when he realises he cannot possibly win. Yeah, right....a man can dream.
Have to disagree there. The diffuser is meant to be about 3/10ths of a second per lap, however Force India have found just over 2 seconds per lap in their car over the season to date. So looking at the bigger picture, the diffuser isn't everything. I gather (think it was in F1 Racing a few months ago) the front wing and floors are areas that are being developed the most.
More info on Donington and its failure to secure funding - http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39409.
Gave me a bit of a headache trying to work it out but basically they have no backing (which we all knew).
Gave me a bit of a headache trying to work it out but basically they have no backing (which we all knew).
Consider that the cars were being developed at a terrific rate. Cars that were winning races 1 or 2 races ago were totally out of sorts in proceeding races (see how BrawnGP went backwards fast, after Button's last win).
To my mind, BMW did make a good start to the season and continued pretty much from where they left off in testing. Kubica was in 2nd, with Vettel 3rd, when they collided in Australia. As it turned out, RBR had a championship contendiing car. And like you said, by Race2, BMW were also doing OK (in terms of speed, not retirements, where Kubica had effectively retired twice in 2 races). As the season wore on they began to go backwards.
Had the other cars not developed so quickly, from one race to another, BMW would've hung on to their decent pace, for a little longer.
I stand by my original comment that BMW did make a decent job in pre-season testing and also a good start to the season. And furthermore, if you are fast in pre-season testing, you are almost certainly going to be fast in the first few races of the season. For 2009, BrawnGP are evidence of this.
LOL.
BTW, why are you guys so interested in Donnington? To my mind Donnington wasnt a great track, while Silverstone is a true driver's circuit, meaning it requires lots of skill and bravery to be fast there.
Have I missed something?
To borrow for a second from our conspiracy theorist friends in General Discussion, who reckons certain influential members of the BRDC have been putting in the fix with lenders and backers to ensure that no money heads Donington way?
Trust me, that theory is already out there getting whispered....I love the rationale Bernie came up with for his suggestion that we don't need a British GP - something along the lines of "several tracks have held it over the years, therefore it's not a classic race". Got to admire the nerve of the guy, even though I don't agree with him at all!
Yeah I suppose some of that is true, although Force India only really found pace at the lowest Downforce tracks. I don't think they really found 2 seconds.
Where as Brawn To Red Bull or Mclaren never regained any speed on them after they got to silverstone.
Its hard to say where the pace comes and goes but Brawns lack of improvement would worry me a touch with the amount of resourses they have compared to when they built this years car.
Looking forward to no refuelling and passing on the track if you actually want to make ground
I agree with others they need to let them have engine developement back but I guess that wouldn't help the non works teams much.
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I think a big question is how much BrawnGP held off developing this years car as they felt that:
a/Their car held enough of an advantage to hold on throughout the year
and
b/Without an unlimited budget, it was far better to put the development effort towards the 2010 car where the biggest teams are expected to have caught up or overtaken them
a/Their car held enough of an advantage to hold on throughout the year
and
b/Without an unlimited budget, it was far better to put the development effort towards the 2010 car where the biggest teams are expected to have caught up or overtaken them
donnington has more overtaking opertunities? i always thought silverstone was overrated but its not like theres many half decent tracks in england anyway
Force India only really went quickly on the two tracks requiring low downforce and low drag. After Spa they faded again.
laughs at some comparing Kovi to Button, thats just beyond belief - I dont believe Kovi would have even compared to Barrichello in the Brawn this year, yet Button in a McLaren would be just as bad as him
Yeah. I think Kova is a lot better than he's been made to look by Hamilton; but Button is quite clearly a better driver. I hope he lands a half decent drive next year where he can spend some time working on his skills instead of struggling against a superior teammate.
Although... Button was outclassed by Fisi in 2001 (his second season), whereas Kova trounced Fisi in his first season (2007).
Can we get a "hell yeah"?
Sutil started third in Brazil before he got taken out by Trulli didn't he?