Ok to use speaker's from All-in-One Cinema System?

[shankly1985]

Hello guys I looking at buying a AV Receivers atm I using a Samsung All-in-One 5.1 800w on the end of the Speakers is coloured plugs. Am I correct so long as I buy a Receiver that's no more than 800w output and I cut of the coloured plugs I should be fine?

Thanks

 

[Marsman]

Wattage output doesn't have much to do with it really,. You could pair a rated 500w set of speakers with an amplifier rated at 800w, and they would work fine. Ohm rating is what is important. Besides, those all-in-one DVD jobs have vastly exaggerated wattage output to attract the average buyer, who doesn't know what to look for when it comes to audio equipment.

Most AV receivers accept 6-8 Ohm speakers, so if the speakers you have are either 6-8 Ohm, then you'll have no worries about connecting them up. If they are some bizarre low Ohm rating of 2 though, then that might be a different matter.

One area you will likely run into difficulty, is the subwoofer. Most AV receivers have a connection for an active subwoofer (has it's own amplifier). The all-in-one jobbies tend to have passive subwoofers (takes power from main amp), meaning you can't use it with a AV receiver that has an active connection. Some AV receivers do have connection for a passive subwoofer, but they are nearly if not always included with the budget package systems. So unless your all-in-one comes with an active subwoofer, you're going to have to buy a subwoofer as well.

 

[markyb]

I did exactly the same for my parents on a Samsung all in one 5.1 kit when the remote stopped working and DVDs started to play up. They were happy with the speakers.

As Marsman said, you need to use an AMP which has an active connection for a Subwoofer

I bought them a PIONEER VSXS300, Cut the ends off the speakers and wired them into the AMP.
The difference in quality was night and day. It sounded like they had replaced the speakers, better mids, the sub sounds so much deeper. Fantastic little upgrade.

 

[shankly1985]

Wattage output doesn't have much to do with it really,. You could pair a rated 500w set of speakers with an amplifier rated at 800w, and they would work fine. Ohm rating is what is important. Besides, those all-in-one DVD jobs have vastly exaggerated wattage output to attract the average buyer, who doesn't know what to look for when it comes to audio equipment.

Most AV receivers accept 6-8 Ohm speakers, so if the speakers you have are either 6-8 Ohm, then you'll have no worries about connecting them up. If they are some bizarre low Ohm rating of 2 though, then that might be a different matter.

One area you will likely run into difficulty, is the subwoofer. Most AV receivers have a connection for an active subwoofer (has it's own amplifier). The all-in-one jobbies tend to have passive subwoofers (takes power from main amp), meaning you can't use it with a AV receiver that has an active connection. Some AV receivers do have connection for a passive subwoofer, but they are nearly if not always included with the budget package systems. So unless your all-in-one comes with an active subwoofer, you're going to have to buy a subwoofer as well.

Thanks for detailed post. I own Samsung HT-TZ212 I guessing from your post this is passive sub?
Any idea where I should find this information about Ohm rating?
Thanks
http://www.samsung.com/ae/support/model/HT-TZ212T/MEA-techspecs

I did exactly the same for my parents on a Samsung all in one 5.1 kit when the remote stopped working and DVDs started to play up. They were happy with the speakers.

As Marsman said, you need to use an AMP which has an active connection for a Subwoofer

I bought them a PIONEER VSXS300, Cut the ends off the speakers and wired them into the AMP.
The difference in quality was night and day. It sounded like they had replaced the speakers, better mids, the sub sounds so much deeper. Fantastic little upgrade.

Hello thanks for post is it possible you know the Model number from the Samsung?

 

[Jano]

It's in the manual, showing 3 ohms. I would be very very wary of using any of those speakers with an AV Amp. The sub looks passive to me, so again would be useless.

 

[shankly1985]

It's in the manual, showing 3 ohms. I would be very very wary of using any of those speakers with an AV Amp. The sub looks passive to me, so again would be useless.

Ok thanks was thinking same thing. i'll just look into buying a new system.

I have had look on Richer sounds and can't seems to find the tall speakers.

 

[Jano]

You won't get tallboy speakers like that in a separates system, probably the closes are the Monitor Audio Radius (270's are the fronts) but I don't think they are sold anymore. Any reason you want that style of speaker? Is it just down to looks?

 

[shankly1985]

You won't get tallboy speakers like that in a separates system, probably the closes are the Monitor Audio Radius (270's are the fronts) but I don't think they are sold anymore. Any reason you want that style of speaker? Is it just down to looks?

I have my TV on the Wall and the two tall speakers each side I would say for the looks yeah.

 

[Marsman]

Anyone who does ask here about what 5.1 system to get, people try to steer them clear of these all-in-one DVD based systems, as they are poor value really. It's a struggle to replace or upgrade certain parts and the amount of connections they have is abysmal.

Depending on what you have to spend, a Yamaha YHT199 package would be a decent choice. A AV receiver alone would cost you around £130-£150 minimum, so to get the whole lot for £200, is a good deal. Richer Sounds currently have the YHT199 for £200 down from £250. Link

As for the tall tower speakers, they house very small drivers of very little quality. Proper floorstanding speakers would be vastly superior, but you'd be looking at £700+ for a 5.1 speaker package with floorstanding speakers. A good smaller speaker will sound much better than those tall tower things, but like the wattage rating, they are designed to attract the average consumer with the whole 'bigger is better' ethos. I suppose tall tower speakers are more convenient as well, sitting either side of the TV, rather than having to place smaller speakers on stands, a unit or a wall.

 

[Zefan]

That's a good deal for the Yahama, I wish I'd gone for something similar when I bought my Onkyo HT-S5305 which has a passive sub. It was pretty good for the price but makes me a sad panda thinking it's going to be a pain in the ass to add to in the future.

 

[shankly1985]

Anyone who does ask here about what 5.1 system to get, people try to steer them clear of these all-in-one DVD based systems, as they are poor value really. It's a struggle to replace or upgrade certain parts and the amount of connections they have is abysmal.

Depending on what you have to spend, a Yamaha YHT199 package would be a decent choice. A AV receiver alone would cost you around £130-£150 minimum, so to get the whole lot for £200, is a good deal. Richer Sounds currently have the YHT199 for £200 down from £250. Link

As for the tall tower speakers, they house very small drivers of very little quality. Proper floorstanding speakers would be vastly superior, but you'd be looking at £700+ for a 5.1 speaker package with floorstanding speakers. A good smaller speaker will sound much better than those tall tower things, but like the wattage rating, they are designed to attract the average consumer with the whole 'bigger is better' ethos. I suppose tall tower speakers are more convenient as well, sitting either side of the TV, rather than having to place smaller speakers on stands, a unit or a wall.

Thanks a lot think you have me sold

"they are designed to attract the average consumer with the whole 'bigger is better"

This sums me up really when buying sound systems At the time of buying my Samsung must be 7 years ago I had no idea about AV Amps etc
You just think All in one how great

money I have lets say £300 Love the look of YAMAHAYHT-199 Package what will an Extra £100 bring me? and is it really worth paying the extra.

Thanks a lot guys

 

[Marsman]

That's a good deal for the Yahama, I wish I'd gone for something similar when I bought my Onkyo HT-S5305 which has a passive sub. It was pretty good for the price but makes me a sad panda thinking it's going to be a pain in the ass to add to in the future.

I'm surprised you can get a package with an active subwoofer for that kind of money. When I saw the Onkyo packages with a passive subwoofer, I thought because it wasn't possible to get an active one at that budget. Looking at the Onkyo AV receivers, I'm surprised they didn't at least provide a pre-out as well. Even if the included subwoofer is passive, it does give some upgrade path.

 

[Marsman]

..money I have lets say £300 Love the look of YAMAHAYHT-199 Package what will an Extra £100 bring me? and is it really worth paying the extra..

I'm not too sure spending the extra £100 will be enough better to justify spending it. I would have thought for any significant upgrade, you'd have to spend £350-£400. Something like Tannoy SFX, or Boston Acoustics Soundware XS 5.1 speakers and AV receiver of choice.

 

[shankly1985]

I'm not too sure spending the extra £100 will be enough better to justify spending it. I would have thought for any significant upgrade, you'd have to spend £350-£400. Something like Tannoy SFX, or Boston Acoustics Soundware XS 5.1 speakers and AV receiver of choice.

Yeah thought this, Looking on there site the YAMAHAYHT-199 is a killer deal. Going to head down there shop tomorrow and buy it.

Thanks

 

[rdb2012]

I bought the Yamaha in Sep for £250. And I absolutely love it.