Old AV receiver that's great for 2 channel stereo?

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Hoping to find a few oldschoolers here who can think of an av receiver from the past that's amazing for 2 channel stereo... Doesn't need HDMI but must have optical in.

This is for a friend of mine who just wants to use for music and movies..

I recently bought s Arcam 300 used and loving it, but its known failure rate is pretty evident! So don't really want to recommend it to him.

Any recommendations?.... His budget is £300

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The really early Yamaha receivers are stonkingly good as stereo amps thanks to the prodigious power supply, low noise floor and excellent headroom. DSP-A1000, DSP-A2070, DSP-A3090. All of these will easily deliver 4x80W or 5x80W and more, all channels driven, 20-20,000Hz, continuous RMS and at very low distortion figures.

Without getting too technical about it, it's the power supply, reserve capacitors and output transistor combination that sets the fundamental character of an amplifier. The power supply converts mains 240V AC in the lower voltage high current DC required to run the amp. The bigger the power supply reserve capacitors then the smoother the DC power rail (less ripple = less audible distortion and a lower noise floor which gives a better signal to noise ratio), and then lots of high-current output transistors that can deliver huge gobs of power when required without overheating means very low signal distortion even at high output levels. All combined, this gives the amp the ability to drive even difficult loads very cleanly and still retain a healthy margin above the rated power. This is the Dynamic Headroom. It's what makes some amps sound effortless and seemingly limitless on power where other amps struggle and become brittle-sounding as distortion rises when they're trying to deal with a dense or complex mix.

A small number of the later Yamaha AV receivers pull off the same low noise floor feat but on a smaller scale. DSP-AX620 is one.

There were a few DSP-A3090s on Ebay recently. Condition can be variable. Battered examples lacking remote, accessories and box can be had for under the £150 mark. Some chancers try it on too. I've seen less-than-tidy examples advertised at over £400 on a BIN. There was a very tidy example complete with box, manuals and remote that sold for £265. With carriage @ £33 (it's a heavy mutha at 21kg before packing) that would have tipped in just under your friend's £300 budget.

To get similar power levels and performance with a 2-channel Hi-Fi amp you'd have to spend a lot more, even second-hand. I'm thinking Krell K-300i (2 x 150W @ 8 Ohms) used for approx £1,000-£1,500, or the Musical Fidelity M6si at 2 x 200W @ 8 Ohm at north of £1,500 used.

If you don't need remote control and can get around the need for Optical in by using and Optical to Analogue converter then there's an Audiolab 8000LX stereo Hi-Fi amp that would be a nice buy. 2 x 60W but lots of current so far more potent that the headline spec suggests. It's sitting on the bay at £150 with 0 bids and 16 hrs to go. Collection only by the look of it. It's not a great Ebay listing.

I know of a DSP-A2070 that might be going on Ebay sometime soon. This doesn't have Optical in, so you'd need one of those £10 Optical to Analogue converters, and the amp is Dolby Pro-Logic only. Still exceptional for 2 channel stereo though.
 
If it's only to be used in 2.0 then how about technics sua900.
If it's to be used as surround then one if the yamaha lucid mentioned. I have the dsp-a1 and it's pretty good with music
 
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If it's only to be used in 2.0 then how about technics sua900.
If it's to be used as surround then one if the yamaha lucid mentioned. I have the dsp-a1 and it's pretty good with music

That technics sua900 sounds interesting !. Always wanted to try Technics, I might look into one myself :).... Wondering, how it compared to my arcam 300 via specs
 
A small number of the later Yamaha AV receivers pull off the same low noise floor feat but on a smaller scale. DSP-AX620 is one.

I can certainly vouch for this. The AX620 has bloody great stereo performance, lovely wide, vibrant but powerful soundstage. Nicer than my Marantz PM6010.
 
I've still got my old AX620, I use it for running Monitor Audio C380 ceiling speakers in our kitchen. The digital inputs failed many years ago but still sounds great.
Same, I'm using the DSP-AX620 in the study as a two channel amp, the power stage isn't great which is why I'm using a power amp with it, in its day though it was a brilliant all round amp. The last AV-amp I had was an Onkyo TX-SR875, that was a truly great amp costing me around 1k new, packed one hell of a punch when it needed to and sounded fantastic, I sold it for around £200 last year in my pursuit of 4K HDCP 2.2.
 
As far as older AV receivers go, I would personally be looking for one with a direct mode to bypass all the processing effects if you want the best stereo performance.

Using an optical in would not yield the benefits described above.

The Arcam AVR350 is a cracking unit based on the second hand prices you can pick them up for now under £300. It gives the best performance in direct mode from a source like a CD player connected via analogue RCA leads. The direct mode also provides more power and control into 2 speaker channels. It no doubt still sounds decent enough in stereo using digital in, you just don't get the benefits described prior. They are getting fairly old now though. I have one of these units still, though I replaced it on main system.

What would your friend be using that requires the optical in?
 
I've had a switch around after trying different combinations at weekend and am now using my old technics amp from the early 90s as L/R power amp from my yamaha 1073 and it has given me back the smile when listening to music. It's just so much more dynamic and lively compared to the yamaha especially with youtube.
I've not setup with the room correction yet but pure direct is a joy to listen too.
 
I've had a switch around after trying different combinations at weekend and am now using my old technics amp from the early 90s as L/R power amp from my yamaha 1073 and it has given me back the smile when listening to music. It's just so much more dynamic and lively compared to the yamaha especially with youtube.
I've not setup with the room correction yet but pure direct is a joy to listen too.

Which technics amp?
 
For the optical side (pcm optical out of tv, music streaming from laptop/tablet via usb/optical convertor) I would consider a new Schiit modi uber DAC £150,
coupled to 2nd hand audiolab (2.0) integrated amp 8000a, say ~£100.
should give a better 2.0 sound than new/older >=5.1 multi-channel AV solutions in same budget.
 
As far as older AV receivers go, I would personally be looking for one with a direct mode to bypass all the processing effects if you want the best stereo performance.

Using an optical in would not yield the benefits described above.

The Arcam AVR350 is a cracking unit based on the second hand prices you can pick them up for now under £300. It gives the best performance in direct mode from a source like a CD player connected via analogue RCA leads. The direct mode also provides more power and control into 2 speaker channels. It no doubt still sounds decent enough in stereo using digital in, you just don't get the benefits described prior. They are getting fairly old now though. I have one of these units still, though I replaced it on main system.

What would your friend be using that requires the optical

Chromecast for both of us... To be honest we have similar setups.

So for me to make use of direct mode, we would need to buy another DAC and connect via analogue?. …

I would be interested with a device myself that I could connect my external hard drive to and supported Hi-res audio with analogue out.... But don't have a great deal of money, and I'm sure without a high budget I'm better off with using optical and the Arcams DAC with stereo pcm mode
 
For the optical side (pcm optical out of tv, music streaming from laptop/tablet via usb/optical convertor) I would consider a new Schiit modi uber DAC £150,
coupled to 2nd hand audiolab (2.0) integrated amp 8000a, say ~£100.
should give a better 2.0 sound than new/older >=5.1 multi-channel AV solutions in same budget.

An Audiolab amp will probably set you back double that. Vintage hi-fi is all the rage at the moment and asking prices are crazy.
 
Still rocking my £200 DSP AX1 and think it sounds great through some second hand Dali lektors.
More optical inputs than a man ever needs and direct sound
Just need to find one close or travel as nobody would post this monster ha
 
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