OLED monitors

[pmc25]

Per expectations, LG expected to release OLED monitors in either '16 or '17.

Prototypes expected at CES.

http://flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1449729114

I think some people who bought the exceedingly overpriced crop of monitors this year, particularly IPS GSynch, will have some very long faces when these launch if they intended to keep their purchases for a long time.

If we get these in '16, that's much bigger than Zen, Arctic Islands or Pascal IMO.

 

[pmc25]

Also, unless they have big volumes, I hope LG keep the panels to their own brand ... LG monitors are vastly better value usually than LG panels in 3rd party monitors - just look at the ludicrous prices of some of the 34" 3440x1440 IPS LG-paneled monitors.

 

[pmc25]

I highly doubt we'll be seeing anything in 2016. 2017 perhaps, but even then it will be obscenely expensive and make the likes of the X34 look cheap. There's several key hurdles to overcome with OLED when it comes to PC monitors also, and personally I would not want to be paying through the nose to be a first adopter.

In terms of production (process) of mid sized panels? Yes. In terms of the product itself? What? Responsiveness, refresh rates, contrast, viewing angles etc are awesome. No bleed. No glow. Colours on newer panels are fantastic, and even on non-wide gamut panels, the increased contrast gives the impression of far better richness.

I don't see why OLEDs either by LG in '16/17 or Samsung in '17 should "make the X34 look cheap" if they produce them in volume. You do realise that potentially OLEDs are much cheaper to produce and then assemble a product out of than LCDs? Flat, and definitely curved. As far as TVs and mobiles are concerned, prices are falling all the time and capacity and yields have made huge progress in the last 18 months. The screen in my Galaxy Tab S2 is absolutely awesome.

 

[pmc25]

LOL! Come back in 5 years when they hit 34" at a reasonable pricepoint and I'll upgrade

You'll absolutely definitely see OLEDs of around that size at below X34 prices in '17. Without a doubt. If products launch next year, then likely next year.

 

[pmc25]

Now that LG are jumping on the gsync bandwagon, I'm interested to see what they come up with

Highly unlikely there'll be any G-Synch for OLEDs in the near future.

In fact I suspect that in terms of PC monitors, if there are any non-LG or non-Samsung branded ones in the next 24 months, they'll literally just be rebrands. They'll have the same (LG / Samsung specced if not built) controllers and electronics and almost certainly the same housing too ... stands could differ. I don't think the OEMs most monitor brands use have the facilities to package OLEDs like this.

 

[pmc25]

Hate curved screens so I'm hoping when oled monitors launch that fad will have passed!

Opposite. Probably all larger OLED panels will be curved going forwards.

 

[pmc25]

Hope you are wrong. LGs flat 65 inch screen will be a best seller, plenty of evidence to suggest people still prefer flat.
If anything I reckon they will still have to produce flat models.

They're so thin (and will get thinner) that making a decently rigid curved TV of that size should be much easier than a flat one.

As far as large monitors are concerned, I think pretty much all of them will be curved. There's not much case for flat OLED monitors past a certain size, seeing as people tend to sit at optimum distance and in the very centre (unlike TVs). I'm sure some mid sized monitors will be flat (21-28").

 

[pmc25]

Pricing is indeed completely stupid. It's more than the Sony pro video OLED studio / location monitors cost when they first launched 2 years ago, when the price was actually reflective of how much they were costing Sony and the OEM. This price certainly isn't reflective of cost to Dell or production cost.

Didn't expect Dell to be first in the consumer space, and had resigned myself to no OLEDs at CES after LG announced nothing.

I'm assuming Dell either paid LG to be first on the panel, or commissioned them to make it specially. As such, they're trolling with the price (in a literal sense). I think they're hoping to catch a few price insensitive people whilst they're the only game in town. I'd guess this is squarely aimed at primarily Macbook toting graphic designers and animators.

If it's available in May, I'm guessing that by June or July we'll see other brands with similar or same panels for half that figure. Wouldn't surprise me if the Dell itself is around $2K before year end.

That said, I'm glad it's finally happening.

Strange that it won't have DP1.3 ... I assume when they say it's USB Type C it's SuperMHL over USB Type C connector .. or Thunderbolt 3 (Mac user connection).

Also ... 0.1ms response time Wonder what refresh rate it supports? Hopefully 240Hz.

 

[pmc25]

Partly due to much lower volumes. Mostly due to people being stupid enough to pay ridiculous prices in a niche market ... see the £4-550 price premium for one of the 4K G-Sync over monitors with an identical panel and no G-Sync controller.

 

[pmc25]

OLED is quite poor for burn in, is it not? My PS Vita's both suffered from a bit of this, because i used the browser quite a bit i have bit of the browser bar and the side bar burnt onto the screen.

Wouldn't fancy having the taskbar burnt into a monitor..

Highly doubt this is going to be a problem on this gen. of P-OLEDs.

 

[pmc25]

I can hold my chin up and say i had no part in that! Also the question above me is it relevant? Does OLED need tech to avoid burn in and sample and hold blur? I think i still want ULMB on an OLED over any kind of Syncing. I am not rendering pixels that blur out.

As I said, burn in is very unlikely to be an issue.

ULMB is unnecessary as OLEDs have ultra low response times (0.1ms quoted for the Dell) and the ability to support very high refresh rates. On USB3.1 / SuperMHL there's no reason why it couldn't do 240Hz @ 4K natively ... not sure if DP1.3 would have the bandwidth for that - I suspect not.

 

[pmc25]

Can you double up on connections somehow? Displayport 1.3 is already outdated because the maximum is 4K @ 120hz 4:4:4 with 24bit color. But HDR will take out a great chunk too.

You think then that the response times are going to offer a much superior and true no blur experience than 240hz on my Eizo? I do not even think i would want 240hz i think 120hz feels great, Just need to swap VA to OLED and i would be happy it seems.

They're more responsive than any type of LCD, so yes motion clarity will be better anyway. Also aside form being able to do absolute blacks and more degrees of brightness than the LEDs used to backlight LCDs, each pixel is individually emissive (not backlit or sidelit or anything like that), so brightness / darkness is extremely localised ... motion and contrast should look much better. Once production is high enough and costs low enough, LCD isn't really competitive at all ... emissive quantum dot (rather than QD filters which are appearing already on high end TVs and a few monitors) is what will compete with it in future, if they can make it cheap enough.