OLED vs Everything else for 24p stutter?

[champ222]

Hi All

I'm still using a 50" 1080p plasma, but its showing signs of problems.

I'm very sensitive to "judder". Judder is when you play 24p video material (which is usually actually 23.976 frames per second, though actual 24 FPS does exist too) at 60Hz. 24 doesnt divide by 60, so you get "judder". The solution to judder is to have the TV refresh at 24Hz. This give nice smooth motion. Now, its not just movies that are shot a 24p, most TV shows are now too. Pretty much everything modern on amazon prime is shot at 24p, but the fire sticks output at 60 hz

Anyway, i got around this with a PC running KODI (libreelec) which worked pretty well for downloaded content, but streaming was still an issue. So i bought an Apple TV. Its the best device for proper frame rate matching, so the TV matches the refresh rate of the source, and it all works beautifully.

Now, ive read that modern TVs, in particular OLEDs suffer from "Stutter". This is different from Judder. The cause is playing back low frame rate content, such as 24p, with a very fast response time display. Because an OLED shows the frame so quickly, the time between the frames, about 42ms for 24p, is significant and it stutters. The Plasma i have now, isnt particularly fast, so it just smooths it all out. If i'm sensitive to judder, i'm likely very sensitive to stutter too!

The "solution" to this is to interpolate the frames with various settings on the TV, the downside is "soap opera effect" which makes everything just look weird. The challenge is to find the right balance with the settings, between smoothing out the stutter, and the soap opera effect. My sisters TV looks horrendous because they have all the features switched on. it kinda looks like the video is playing too fast. its weird.

Now, many people are just not sensitive to this. If this none of this makes any sense to you, this is probably you, i'm envious, i wish this didnt bother me the way it does.

Those that do know what i'm talking about, how have you lived with it? have you found a setting that is a good compromise? Are the other TV technologies better in this regard? such as QLED, Mini LED etc?

Thanks.

 

[champ222]

Thanks guys. Just a bit cautious of spending £1600 - £2000 on a 65" OLED, to be annoyed with it lol. When i could spend less, on "slower tech" and not be annoyed with it... if you get what i mean? Though, coming from a plasma, i guess if i went non-oled, i's be annoyed with the blacks.

 

[champ222]

last TV i bought was 11 years ago... it seems there still isnt "the perfect TV"

i'll likely go OLED then, and try to find some middle ground, or put up with the stutter.

Now to obsess over all the specs and details for weeks on end.

 

[champ222]

I don't think so.
I think OLED has been the biggest break through since Plasma technology in terms of delivering proper blacks. Even the best LCD screens were/are always compromised by the laws of physics.

Yeah i think youre right. OLED is the way to go i reckon

 

[champ222]

thanks guys, i'm sure i'll learn to live with it. old TV getting very problematic now, will have to start looking around at deals!

 

[champ222]

It was funny reading your post as I've been "dealing" with this for a couple decades. On my old CRT monitors I used to use a program to change the refresh rate as close to the 24 to help get rid of the judder. It is much better today where there are a few ways to sync exactly the output from my PC to TV

My test for this used to be Star Wars films when they are in the Jedi Temple meeting room and there is "traffic" panning across in the background but my best test is LotR: Fellowship of Ring at ~7min30s when the map of Middle Earth appears. That's one of the best places I can demonstrate it to people who have no clue as to what I'm talking about.

Currently I'm using KODI on the NVidia Shield Pro.

On the OLED side things have changed over the last few years so that different models have changed in the way they implement it and call it. In the later models it is called Real Cinema but they ultimately do the same thing.

I've found the OLED TV's to be pretty good in this regard so "sufferers" like us are pretty well catered for. Best of luck.

Thanks, hoping the TV will hold out until the new models come out, which should be next month for LG. then hopefully we will see some deals on the current models. a REALLY good deal on a 77 would be nice, they are quite a big jump, price wise from the 65.