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Well Virgin Media and the Govt tried to block Pirate Bay , but it works fine for me. There's always a way round things
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Well Virgin Media and the Govt tried to block Pirate Bay , but it works fine for me. There's always a way round things
.. and you think your clever bypassing everything that you can?
does he think his clever bypassing everything that you can what?
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Do you not think that there is quite a big distinction between the 2 scenarios you describe above? Do you believe that downloading illegally is equally as bad as stealing physical media from a shop?
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Read my post again. I said you don't need a VPN just use a different URL. Not even a need for proxying!
It's so easy that just about anybody who can use a comouter can get past the block of TPB. The same will apply to any 'morality' filter that attempts to block pornography. Today's computer literate children will find it easy whilst there less literate parents will think their little darlings are being 'protected'.
That's actually more dangerous that advocating that parents take responsibility for their own filtering.
Some people genuinely cannot tell the difference between theft and copyright infringement. Perhaps they should get jobs for the government or media cartels?
I'm not sure it is in fact...
Copyright infringement definitely... Copyright Theft? Well other than the trade federation called FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft) it's known as infringement in law as far as I can see... (maybe I'm wrong if you want to provide some links).
Remember copyright infringement is generally not a criminal offence. It's only large scale copying and profit making that is a criminal offence.
Subscription services have DRM that don't allow you to use it on many types of device (for example dedicated mp3 players, OSX etc.) depending on the service...
As for iTunes, 80p for a song is massively expensive! Especially when a subscription service is around £8 a month.
Music services have a long way to come (but have come a long way), video services have a VERY long way to go before they really compete with one of the main reasons people pirate (ease of access).
Lets look at the photography industry. With the reduction in price of the hardware (that can't be copied) and modern software (and computer hardware) becoming cheaper and easier to use and access, more and more people are thinking they can go out and shoot photos, be that weddings/events and for stock. That has made the photography industry, for those that a rent at the top, a much harder struggle as renumeration has gone down.
The point is it's far easier to make/produce and distribute your own music now, far more people are now doing it and that means the money in it is distributed around far more people. That's not counting those that release their music free of charge, which may reduce sales for others.
Blaming it all on piracy (call it what it is shall we, the much more benign "copyright infringement") is ridiculous. Yes, a small amount of it probably is related to that but the bigger issue is the ease in which people can now release music.
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Spotify @ £10 a month is £120 a year or you could go out and buy 150 songs from iTunes. Over three years Spotify is layout of £360.
Personally via Amazon/eBay/iTunes or whatever you could get a hell of a lot of music for that outlay. That's the problem with subscription services - they soon add up.
As someone mentioned earlier BBM was the main source. BBM is basically free texting so how would banning it have done anything other than having the people organising riots using a few hundred texts from their allowance anyway?
One person didn't press a button and sent a message to all the rioters... He sent it to his friends, they sent it to their friends etc..
I think that if it did come to opt in for adult content (which I doubt) I would opt in. Not because I watch porn or would miss it if not available but because of the additional layer of filtering at the ISP which could block off more than a few adult sites. The block could also be amended at intervals to cover specific areas not dealing with porn and may adversely affect Essex, Sussex and Middlesex
A campaign to make opt in shame free would be a good idea if it comes to it. 'I opted in' tee shirts anyone
That made me think about issues for websites.
If we had the opt in rather than just plain old opt out being classified as an adult (even if it isn't) could mean the different between profitability and shutting down, whether they sell physical goods, electronic goods or just rely on advertising revenue.
We can all argue until we are blue in the face what constitutes an adult site and what should be behind this filter but there will always be mistakes which could cost a massive amount to the website that was hidden from most people. If that were the case do the censors have to pay them for their loss?
And as for the sites that are currently or have been blocked under T-Mobiles adult content filter... I have had several large recruitment websites blocked at various times, OcUK has been classified as adult from time to time, internet dating websites (the major ones like match, POF, OKCupid) and a few more. Oh and then there were wikipedia pages blocked (remember that one?). It could gimp large parts of the internet that most people don't even see as adult!
Depends what you class as pornography... And there in lies the issue...
Many, many groups see children seeing naked bodies in non sexual ways as fine. Naturist groups for example. Religion and lots of others do not...
Bearing in mind one is a criminal offence and one is a civil issue.
(So many replies in a row, so many annoying posts to reply to and only having seen this thread..!)
True, but with a subscription service I can listen to 40+ songs a month, every month a different 40 songs. Each month I can listen to half a dozen new albums and with smart playlists I can listen to dozens of songs, keeping some I like and not others. It would probably cost several hundred a year if I had to buy them all to listen to them!
On the other hand the DRM is now making me think I may have to go back to download some from less legal means as my mp3 player and my mac won't play them... I'll keep the subscription but maybe download alongside...
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I'm sure most people would find that annoying, but that simple statement doesn't explain the entire issue.
The key distinction is that not every pirate is a lost sale. You think hobbiest would be paying £1000 for a copy of photoshop when GIMP is free? I don't. Sure, some of the more serious users may buy it, but over the longer term you'd largely be sundering Adobe by creating a market with experience of their free alternative. It's all about reputation, a lot of people are using Photoshop because it's the defacto standard in the industry. It has it's merits, but for many users doing simple image manipulation, it is completely overkill, but kids interested in the field are downloading it, learning it, and going into the industry expecting it, because they can. Without piracy the younger generations experience would be limited to either GIMP, or the same software given away at burging bucket prices, or free, for non-commerical use. As the saying goes, Microsoft would rather you pirate Windows than use Linux.
If you assume most piartes weren't going to buy your product either way, then you can at least rest assured that their usage of your product is freebie marketing, and whilst you'd rather they contributed directly to your sucess, they're at least doing so indirectly, whether or not you become a self made millionaire. When you have a product that is popular enough that it'd keep you going if everyone paid, assuming you're asking for resonable remuneration, then that is an item that can go on your CV/portfolio leading to greater successes in the future. As a software guy, it's pretty much a guarantee of better jobs for better pay at the minimum, and possibly an avenue of much greater opportunities should you continue to expliot and grow your fanbase.
OK so by content producer you're probably talking about music and video. It's the same premisis in my opinion, but there is one major distinction; everyone knows that artists get stiffed from the record labels with hollywood accounting tricks. The genies been out the bag for a number of years, so ripping of such content doesn't really have the moral weight they'd like to believe it does. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the pirates side. I believe if you want to use software, or consume video and music, then for the most part you should be paying for it. I just don't agree that the problem is as big as stated, nor do I support creating legislation in order to allow organisations to profit in perpetuity for a piece of work that took < a year to deliver, particularly so when they're complaining about starving artists whilst they simteniously produce record profits year on year by stiffing those same artists.
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I disagree with the idea that any control is required. The Internet has been functioning quite well for a long time without Government control, built upon open access and co-operation of the orginsations involved. This itself may not be perfect, but each node will generally be kept in line because the Internet is designed that it will route around damage, so act out of hand and you're going to have issues with peering your data. Government control will do nothing but garuntee monopolies which will work together for the detirment of society, and I honestly feel no control is the greater good despite it allowing the less than desireable data though the pipes. Once you realise undesirable data includes, according to most Governments, the orginisation of most righteous revolutions, the issue only becomes clearer. Unless you honestly believe your own Government is somehow incapable of turning bad, ever?
Moving beyond the motivational reasoning for censorship, you'll soon need to consider that it's actually impossible. Sure, it's possible the general public are too stupid to learn to use encryption, but for anyone doing something that's considered undesirable, and with the motivation to actually continue to do it regardless (ie, pedo ring) all you're really doing is making it harder for them to be caught, because they're going to need to up-the-ante. You're creating an arms race that the Government just can't win, so it just seems like a totally bad idea even participating in the first place. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of Internet crime, and the Government should be involved, but they should be involved where it matters rather than trying to bust people who happen to have a naughty picture of a 15 year old girl in their cache, stored from when they were browsing normal, and from what they thought, legal porn.
On topic, VPNs are easy to use, so I'm not particularly worried about the actual freedom of the Internet (unless the entirety of world collapses on the issue). I'm against censorship in general, and think the Government would do best to butt out, but I'm particularly against an opt-out list (to be clear, if it was an opt-in list, I wouldn't really care). Honestly, I think the vast majority of Internet users are adults, and many of them would like to view adult content without the privacy concern that they need to put their name on a Government mandated list to do so. Whats more worrying though is the lack of logic and civil right concerns in the argument. We seem to have an issue in this country that the delicate few are able to bring about rules to tell the rest of us what we can and can not do. I'm for personal freedom, and if these people don't like what we're doing, then they should look away. Instead they push us deeper and deeper into a nanny state, and we never seem to do a good job at pushing back.
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ok, Sky has blocked my access to Piratebay, can someone give me an idiots guide to gaining access again?
I do not use this website as a tool for downloading illegally, I just really miss the adverts that used to run down the side, you know the ones, lose your belly in 6 weeks etc etc.
I do not use this website as a tool for downloading illegally, I just really miss the adverts that used to run down the side, you know the ones, lose your belly in 6 weeks etc etc.