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OnLive - threat to all gaming hardware

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Anyone heard of OnLive? gaming on demand where the server does all the rendering and calculation stuff, then sends it back to a client... which will allow games such as Crysis to run at maximum settings on something like a Mac Air...

It also looks like its going to crush Console gaming too

Anyone got any comments? Really can't wait for it to become available...
 
apparently you only need a 5mb connection to play something at 720p aaaand that's available pretty much everywhere... the input latency part of it does seem a little... how is that even possible? but looking at the videos it doesn't look to be an issue... but even still... this opens up gaming on devices you would never have thought it was possible to...

Personally I'm a little pessimistic about it, but hoping to be surprised
 
EdGey said:
lame news imo.

it will officially stamp on my main hobby.

hope it fails badly or costs 8 thousand pound a month for the connection needed
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How can you hope that? that's also kinda like saying someone was disappointed cause they had a hobby for making CRT televisions... new hobbies will arise!

Yeah, the figures look a little bit insane. I don't think the micro console compresses anything.. think it just receives input and outputs the video and audio received from the internet connection. Tbh... think of online gaming as it stands at the moment, does that not all need to be sent to the server to be verified?

I don't really know much but isn't there a process in which the graphics card only renders parts of the map that are currently being viewed... then in this case maybe they have a separate processor to process certain things like... one to render the map in real-time, one to do players and so on... but ya know, what do I know?

I think it's a little crazy for people to shoot it down cause it is going to ruin their hobby or because they WANT to play offline. I think it goes the same for people who prefer to use old technology... let them sit in a room lit by only candles.
 
AtreuS said:
The basic idea is sound, but it wont be workable in this country for a long time yet. Our internet suppliers just arent set up for this kind of service.

In parts of america it could and probably will work, to an extent. Places like south korea with fibre to your appartment will be best to take advantage of a system like this.

As technology progresses this kind of system will evolve and will eventually become the standard i reckon. But thats a good while away yet.
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fibre is like 100mbps... OnLive is talking about wanting 5mbps for 720p which is pretty much available to most homes in the UK...
BT are trying to roll out 24mbps across the UK and Virgin are making 10-25-50-100mbps available to UK homes at quite an alarming rate
 
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Emlyn_Dewar said:
The sooner this idea gets knocked on the head and forgotten about, the better.
It would give us poorer looking games at lower resolutions (for us PC users), it'll also be laggy as **** and just not work due to our laughable slow internet speeds and nazi ISP's...

Hopefully OnLive fades away very soon and the people responsible for it go bust.

In the real world though, we get hideous throttling, hilarious fair useage policies, massively underwhelming speeds and just a general underperformance all-round.
OnLive needs to die a death, before it deludes more people.
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Why would you hope for a company to die and go bust? I'm thinking that perhaps I posted this in the wrong section of the forum... the one full of those that have just spent a lot of money building their own games machines to hear the possibility it may be wasted... am I ok to assume that the majority of OcUK members aren't going to go down with a fight if this does take off?

To the guy who said it will be blocked at driver level: remember, all you need is a screen... doesn't require any operating system I don't think.

About internet speeds... well they are improving and by the time that everyone is using OnLive I can imagine that there will be internet good enough. First the people with access to these internet speeds will be able to use it and then those who cannot... again its like saying that YouTube will fail because odd people can't achieve speeds to play it at.

I have access to an internet speed good enough to play OnLive but the bandwidth a month required I don't. (I can imagine they would have to change their policy or bring out a new package for this). Perhaps a little optimistic but soon all computers will be just dumb terminals utilising the benefits of cloud computing

Wizardskills said:
The idea is nice but there are far to many issues as mentioned above. Also who games at 720p on the pc. That is a resolution of 1280 * 720. That is even less than a standard dell 17" monitor, let alone a 22" wide-screen (which is fairly standard now a days amongst gamers). The games are gonna look crap on people screens :/
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It may look crap on your machine but how about on one that can't afford to buy all the latest equipment or one who doesn't have access to it? (in the office, at uni etc) And not to mention the immediate access to any game without the need for downloading anything :P
 
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I have stayed neutral in this argument, so what makes you think I'm buying into this marketing BS?

I just think it's silly when people say that they prefer one thing and shoot the concept down there and then.
"I prefer physical media", why? personally I prefer to have a catalogue of digital media such as the one I have built up over steam...

Joe Public hat? I'm just like everyone else because I don't buy the latest hardware, test it on the latest game, post a topic, update my signature and repeat? A little close-minded to assume that there are two groups of people (those inside your community and those 'Joe Publics' that are not) :o

As someone said earlier I guess this is for the console market who actually prefer to play games rather than test them... but hey that's your hobby
 
sure, it sounds impossible but we will have to see really... I'm sceptical about what they're saying but that's the amazing thing about technology...

Yeah I know about lag... and you don't actually see people juddering around because of the prediction code making it appear smooth... perhaps something might similar might come into play here?

They might be running on biological systems that they have been developing for 7 years but again it might be bull...

Obviously if it's as laggy as you say then it's not here to replace competitive FPS gaming but there are other genres out there also you know... Perhaps its here to replace casual miniclip gaming but whoooo knows?
 
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neologan said:
I'm thinking the game will be bought as per the usual methods (retail, steam), and this company will licence with the publishers. You'll pay a fee for server resource use, not for the game itself. That's my theory. This is a hardware solution only, i think.

In this respect, I'd rather buy my own hardware, i'm in no way interested in stuff like this. Subscription fee's, no thanks, doesn't float my boat.
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You just prefer to shell out £300 every month they release a new graphics card
 
ConnectionFX said:
Its the same with everything you buy.
Cars
Fasion
Electrical Entertainment
The list is endless (well not my list lol)

Rip off Britain, Rip Off World = Business
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Fashion: Primark... well thats probably all but the point I was trying to make is that people were saying instead it will cost OnLive £300 per month for new graphics cards when they've probably developed a system where they can just... hot swap all the graphics processors... add some blades... who knows? I don't do server stuff :D
 
Linx said:
Ok, should be more constructive then, an opinion isn't worth anything if it isn't backed up by reason.
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try telling the rest that :P

Well I used to play PC games but then moved towards console gaming as I really feel playing on a computer loses all immersion (especially being left handed) Everytime I get a game for the PC I have to spend about 30 minutes tweaking the graphics settings to try and make it look as good as possible, but also quite fast... but then you're stuck between wellll I want it to look better but it lags in certain bits. (yeah buy a new graphics card but why do that? when you have a 360 console that will always play games at a good enough setting. you just put the CD in and your ready to play)

And being left handed... I have to spend about 30 minutes trying to configure the best possible way for me to play with a keyboard, not to mention the super accuracy you have with a mouse I really feel that it loses all sense of immersion because in every game you're like god... horror games just aren't scary because you kill things so easily, you bunny hop around the level and what's the point?! Sure on the 360 if your playing an FPS you're all retarded for aim and movement, but since everyone is in the same boat it doesn't matter and you really do get used to it

Not played games in a long time whilst being in final year at uni but as soon as i'm finished there are a few games I need to catch up on... I haven't said anywhere that OnLive is GOING to work... its just that since I was the first poster everyone has been kicking my arse for even mentioning it!
 
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