Origin. Is the program really that evil?

orderoftheflame · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:07

Final8y said:
People complained then as well.

Yet now many of the same people hail it at as a wondrous and integral part of PC gaming and have accepted their initial conclusions of what the service would become were proved wrong, me included.

I don't think Origin will ever take off in the same way, but I'm not going to sit here waving a pitchfork because EA want to do the same thing as Valve did, especially as its not out of beta.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:08

sniffy said:
So every publisher should pay valve because they got there first? lol! I'm sorry but the odd person refusing to buy BF3 because of origin will have absolutely no impact.

First make a reply relevant to the points and context of my post because they are specific as what you said has nothing to do with what i have said.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:14

Final8y said:
First make a reply relevant to the points and context of my post because they are specific.

There was nothing specific about your post. You said just because you accept something over time you shouldn't accept it time and time again. Due to the poor sentence structure I assumed you meant "we already have a distribution platform, we don't want another because we could end up with loads". Well I'm pointing out the practicalities of your suggestion. It's unrealistic. If that isn't what you meant then try wording it again.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:15

sniffy said:
So every publisher should pay valve because they got there first? lol! I'm sorry but the odd person refusing to buy BF3 because of origin will have absolutely no impact.

First has nothing do with it, the better service is the better service and that up to the individual to decide.

Its not like EA is not paying when it sold through other stores unless your saying they don't take a cut and its only Valve asking for money to do so.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:17

Final8y said:
First has nothing do with it, the better service is the better service and that up to the individual to decide.

Totally. Doesn't mean EA should sell BF3 through Valve's distribution platform though...

Its not like EA is not paying when it sold through other stores unless your saying they don't take a cut and its only Valve asking for money to do so.

They'll make more profit...do I really need to point that one out?

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:18

sniffy said:
There was nothing specific about your post. You said just because you accept something over time you shouldn't accept it time and time again. Due to the poor sentence structure I assumed you meant "we already have a distribution platform, we don't want another because we could end up with loads". Well I'm pointing out the practicalities of your suggestion. It's unrealistic. If that isn't what you meant then try wording it again.

It was specific as it was in reply to a quote and its because of you what you already have going around in your head through this thread that you ignored that.

Originally Posted by FeFiDoh View Post
What is funny is people complaining that they did it for BF3 "their flagship game of the year".
I am pretty sure Steam was released when CS was hugely popular and had used that to help it get its foot in the door.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:20

sniffy said:
Totally. Doesn't mean EA should sell BF3 through Valve's distribution platform though...

They'll make more profit...do I really need to point that one out?

Where did i say that EA should sell through steam, im just pointing out the flaws in your argument for not selling through steam.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:28

It's really hard to have a discussion with you. You aren't clear in the slightest. Please make your point and your problem with what I said in a clear manner and I can discuss it.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:31

orderoftheflame said:
Yet now many of the same people hail it at as a wondrous and integral part of PC gaming and have accepted their initial conclusions of what the service would become were proved wrong, me included.

I don't think Origin will ever take off in the same way, but I'm not going to sit here waving a pitchfork because EA want to do the same thing as Valve did, especially as its not out of beta.

But to much of the same thing can become a problem.

And as i had said i have stopped using xfire because its become a hassle with keeping all these synced with friends, and it not because i don't like xfire.

I would rather not have to Windows messenger, Skype, Mumble, teamspeak 2 teamspeak 3, Pidgin all going.

I already have games bought on Origin/GFWM/Steam/GAME DL. i really don't want any more services to deal with.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:37

sniffy said:
It's really hard to have a discussion with you. You aren't clear in the slightest. Please make your point and your problem with what I said in a clear manner and I can discuss it.

Your first reply to me had nothing to do with what i was talking about, if you cant understand that then it does not matter.

There are different aspects being talked about, yours was not in context to the aspects of Origin and Steam that i was talking about.

buchtis · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:47

Don't want to sound like a snob but Origin is the prime reason why I didn't buy BF3. To me one service which is widely used by everyone is enough. This is reminding me of people who use 10 different media players and have 3 different versions of anti-virus running when 1 good service of each is ample to do all the jobs. That and I have about 10 games on backlog to play.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:50

Your edit suggests that you're talking about duplication. That is, two different things providing the same service and how that sucks. I'm saying how duplication within such an industry with multiple publishers is inevitable. Multi-million company A doesn't like paying multi-million company B a percentage of their profits.

If that isn't your point then honestly wtf are you talking about?

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:55

Some of my friends were hardcore console gamers, they liked the ease and convenience, i showed them that the PC is better once you understand it a little and because of Download services its can be more convenient than going to the store to buy games.

Steam was ideal as they also would not have to deal with manual patching that would have put them right off from the PC, again more convenience.

I have boxed of unopened DVD games that i cant even give away to them as they don't want the hassle of disks or patching and they want buy from loads of difference download services as that would start to become an inconvenience in itself.

Some people don't mind and some people do and that just the way things are.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 16:59

Don't get me wrong, I don't like duplication. Ideally I want all my games on steam. I'm just pointing out that it's unrealistic when EA needs to pay Valve for a service that they can provide themselves (steam is obviously the better platform but origin does what it says on the tin). Missing out on the odd gem that EA release because you need to use their platform just seems silly to me.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:00

sniffy said:
Your edit suggests that you're talking about duplication. That is, two different things providing the same service and how that sucks. I'm saying how duplication within such an industry with multiple publishers is inevitable. Multi-million company A doesn't like paying multi-million company B a percentage of their profits.

If that isn't your point then honestly wtf are you talking about?

Yes that is my point, that does not mean i should be happy about it and try my best to encourage it by my action, if you don't care then fine as I'm not asking you to, but don't go telling me that i should not care or complain about.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:03

sniffy said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't like duplication. Ideally I want all my games on steam. I'm just pointing out that it's unrealistic when EA needs to pay Valve for a service that they can provide themselves (steam is obviously the better platform but origin does what it says on the tin). Missing out on the odd gem that EA release because you need to use their platform just seems silly to me.

The flaw is that EA is already paying others.

IF BF3 was only bought though Origin then you would have a point, why exclude steam for any other reason than because its the most popular.

sniffy · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:04

Final8y said:
Yes that is my point, that does not mean i should be happy about it and try my best to encourage it by my action, if you don't care then fine as I'm not asking you to, but don't go telling me that i should not care or complain about.

I'm not saying that :/ complain all you like! I just don't see the odd person boycotting Origin will have any impact. I know there's people that won't play BF3 because of Origin and the expression "cutting off your nose to spite your face" springs to mind.

Final8y said:
The flaw is that EA is already paying others.

IF BF3 was only bought though Origin then you would have a point, why exclude steam for any other reason than because its the most popular.

Which other distribution platform can you use to download BF3? Buying keys from the likes of GMG isn't the same.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:14

sniffy said:
I'm not saying that :/ complain all you like! I just don't see the odd person boycotting Origin will have any impact. I know there's people that won't play BF3 because of Origin and the expression "cutting off your nose to spite your face" springs to mind.

Well that's the way things are because if your never willing to take the risk then no one will.

When there is a petition it always starts of with one name first.
There is no guarantee that anything will come of standing up for yourself, but nothing ever will if you don't try.

I have learned first hand that for me personally i have come away better off more often than not.

So im going to delay buying this game.

orderoftheflame · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:14

Final8y said:
The flaw is that EA is already paying others.

IF BF3 was only bought though Origin then you would have a point, why exclude steam for any other reason than because its the most popular.

Valve take a much larger share for distributing files than any "key only" distributor.

Final8y · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:18

sniffy said:
Which other distribution platform can you use to download BF3? Buying keys from the likes of GMG isn't the same.

Your point was about selling and paying, it does not matter if you could DL from Value or not, EA still has to pay when it sells though others.