Origin. Is the program really that evil?

orderoftheflame said:
Valve take a much larger share for distributing files than any "key only" distributor.
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Yes they do and that would be a good enough reason.

Lets see if EA will ever sell games that are not there own because if it becomes a trend with others only selling there own games on there own clients then it could put some people off PC gaming again for the reasons i have stated earlier and that the last thing that the PC needs..

I'm off to work now.
 
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sniffy said:
A fraction compared to what valve ask :) That's why steam has been excluded. If valve didn't ask for so much then it wouldn't have been viable for EA to implement their own platform.
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A valid point you could have said from the start, which does not take away that people still have a right to personal preference of clients.
 
Pixel said:
I don't need 2 gaming content platforms on my PC, I'll stick with Steam.
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You do if you want to play BF3.

I don't see the issue. It is not as if my PC struggles running Steam and Origin at the same time, like I expect most people rigs who post on these forums. The EA EULA story is a total non-stater and has been debunked. I would also rather BF3 was on Steam, but I am hardly going to refrain from buying games if they are not on it as it is a totally stupid stance to take.
 
What is needed is a distribution platform for distribution platforms. Like a meta-Steam. Because that is the way that things will go if Origin is allowed to succeed. And if it doesn't succeed (as has happened before to EA remember) then what will become of Origin only games like BF3?

Eh? Eh? What then?

Also concerning the amount Valve take for distribution would that amount be comparable to the added extra stuff that you/your players get?
 
Barry_H said:
Coming soon to an Origin install near you, more games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-27-ea-announces-major-third-party-support-for-origin
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Which one will you chose? Steam or Origin (assuming they are the same price which is highly likely)?

This is a silly move by EA unless they undercut Steam massively (a very good thing). As if they are the same price (more likely as I said above) then what are you going to buy it on: the proven platform that offers so much and you have all your games on OR the beta platform that you were forced to use for one game?

They should have waited till the platform was more mature as now they HAVE to lower prices significantly in-order to get anyone to buy from them and if they don't and the games flop on Origin then no other third-party devs will want to use it.
 
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Final8y said:
A valid point you could have said from the start, which does not take away that people still have a right to personal preference of clients.
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You have two options. Take it or leave it.

Nobody can dictate to a company where and how they should sell their games. Why do you think they owe you a choice of client? :confused:

gropingmantis said:
Also concerning the amount Valve take for distribution would that amount be comparable to the added extra stuff that you/your players get?
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This is how Gabe Newell see's it. He thinks and has said that it's down to Valve to prove to EA that Steam offers things that make it worth the terms worth their while. If EA can't see the value in it compared to the cost of running their own DDS, then obviously they wouldn't use it.
 
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gropingmantis said:
What is needed is a distribution platform for distribution platforms. Like a meta-Steam. Because that is the way that things will go if Origin is allowed to succeed. And if it doesn't succeed (as has happened before to EA remember) then what will become of Origin only games like BF3?

Eh? Eh? What then?

Also concerning the amount Valve take for distribution would that amount be comparable to the added extra stuff that you/your players get?
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Its a real concern what will become of our digital content, should a provider withdraw it's support in the future. Especially when they go to so much effort to cover their backsides in their EULA.

I don't put much trust in companies that treat their customers poorly.

The Railsimulator forum on steam was quite vibrant the past couple of weeks. An updated game engine was released via steam update to hundreds of enthusiasts, which, basically turned their Sims into a slide show, 14fps on an I52500K at 4.5ghz in some cases.
Lots of the people on the forum have hundreds of pounds worth of DLC(Wagons,Locos,Routes etc) a lot of which is now broken(until it all gets patched obviously) and there is no rolling back to the old version unless you backed up your steam apps folder.

Loads of these guys went out and upgraded their PC's and are still stuggling to get decent FPS.

They are not a happy bunch of campers.

It maybe just a glimse of whats to come with other genre's in the future.
 
my origin just f'ed up completely, only thing I could do was uninstall and reinstall it. I left BF3 installed but origin has made me redownload the game again. Pathetic.
 
I cant even activate my code to install.

seriously this is an awful, awful system. If it werent for legal incompetance in the area of digital products, surely this monopolistic approach that EA have forcing users to install Origin with BF3 would be stopped.

Kind of how Internet Explorer was banned from being included with Windows. Yes i want Dice's game, NO i dont want EA to force me to comply with the eula for origin and be forced into usin origin when it is simply not a necessary component of BF3...
 
The Running Man said:
I cant even activate my code to install.

seriously this is an awful, awful system. If it werent for legal incompetance in the area of digital products, surely this monopolistic approach that EA have forcing users to install Origin with BF3 would be stopped.

Kind of how Internet Explorer was banned from being included with Windows. Yes i want Dice's game, NO i dont want EA to force me to comply with the eula for origin and be forced into usin origin when it is simply not a necessary component of BF3...
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Agreed. This is the difference between BF3 and a Steam title. Steam is (talking about Steam only games here) a necessary form of DRM/server browser/anti cheat (if using VAC) whereas BF3 already has those things (not the anti cheat but that is not even Origin based) in Battlelog so why do I NEED Origin to play the game? All Origin is doing is downloading the game so why can I not download the game from wherever I damn well choose?
 
orderoftheflame said:
You have two options. Take it or leave it.

Nobody can dictate to a company where and how they should sell their games. Why do you think they owe you a choice of client? :confused:
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I have every right to a preference, just like everyone has a right to have a preference in anything else in life, the Key difference would have been if i said use, as having a preference to something and using something are two different things. But i didn't say EA has to make it available on steam or i will not buy did i, you just assumed i was implying that even though i have already said that i will buy it later from Origin, im just saying that i prefer steam.

Now lets get on with this word dictate, which no one here is doing because it requires correspondence directly with EA or a representative and EA have none here on this form or in this thread, everyone has a right to let EA know directly that they are unhappy or unwilling to buy under EA's condition's and EA has the right to tell them to hop it.
 
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Now i thought the Problem with EA and Value was or DLC and not price of games in general, unless i have missed some new developments which is quite possible, otherwise its nothing but speculation.
 
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