OS recomendations and thoughts please?

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Hi,

Looking for some advice from those in the know!

My gigabyte 939 mobo was killed by dust, or maybe just a hard 6 Years!
So now I find myself going down that upgrade path again.
My sata drives are ok and my hyper580 type R will just manage with a cable add-on for the new 8 pin cpu power socket. So just:

New Mobo: Asus P5Q Deluxe,
New CPU: Intel core2 duo E8500
New memory: 2GB DDR2 1066
New CPU Cooler: Xigmatek s1283

I am hoping that my xp pro 32Bit OS will seemlessley start to work after the rebuild but I was wondering, do I need a 64Bit OS to get the full benefit from the E8500 CPU?

I have a brand new un-activated copy of XP pro X64!
Would you install this over XP pro 32 bit or does it need a clean install (this would mean all my Apps would have to be re-installed :-( ).

Or should I fleabay it and buy 64bit vista?

Thanks in advance.
Fred.
 
I would buy 4GB of RAM as nowadays 2GB can struggle. But need 64bit OS to use it fully.
E8500 will work fully with either 32bit or 64bit.
And generally it is considered to reformat when a the motherboard is replaced.

And yeah vista is worth it, now.
 
When changing something as significant as the motherboard in a system, it would be highly advisable to back-up all of your important data and then do a complete reinstall of whichever operating system you have.

Also, if you are looking at a new system, then I would highly recommend going for 4GB of RAM which will only be accessible if you are using a 64-bit operating system. Even if you have 4GB of RAM and only using a 32-bit system, then you obviously get the benefit of that extra 1GB give or take a couple of hundred mb. Though, regardless of the amount of RAM you have, if you will be getting Windows Vista, you should really be going for the 64-bit version due to the other advantages that 64-bit has over 32-bit. Which you can read about in this article here 64-bit: More than just the RAM by Bit-Tech and a post here written by NathanE.

Here are some of the reasons why upgrading to Windows Vista is worthwhile:

Aero
Windows Search
Windows Parental Controls

Speed / Superfetch / I/O prioritization / Readyboost

Security / UAC >>> Standard User Account / Internet Explorer Protected Mode

Reliability / UAC – Virtualisation

Some of the above such as Aero (Just a nice finishing touch that makes the operating system a pleasure to use) and Windows Search (Which is unbelievably useful) maybe relatively small to some people but when put together with the other additions and changes that have been made to Windows Vista in one complete package, its makes it a very compelling upgrade. Of course, there is also a lot more that has been changed in Windows Vista that has improved the operating system as a whole as well.

Others may say that it's kind of pointless upgrading to Windows Vista now since Windows 7 isn't going to be far off. However, we don't really know how long it will be until Microsoft will actually release it and also, Windows 7 is going to be very similar to Windows Vista apart from maybe being a little faster on lower specification machines which shouldn't really affect you anyway looking at your system specifications. :)
 
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Thanks FW.
Right now I can't back up anything, my mobo died.
But I think you are right. If ati do Vista 64 drivers for my legacy graphics card (850xt) I think I should go down that route.
Cheers,
Fred.
 
As you are changing both the cpu and mobo chipset then you will have to re install windows had you just been replacing the mobo with the same one/same chipset you would have probably got away with it
as you are upgrading your hardware you might as well upgrade the OS as well.
i would go with vista 64bit and as previously suggested and get 4 Gb ram with the current low prices of DDR2 it would be silly not too
 
As you are changing both the cpu and mobo chipset then you will have to re install windows had you just been replacing the mobo with the same one/same chipset you would have probably got away with it
as you are upgrading your hardware you might as well upgrade the OS as well.
i would go with vista 64bit and as previously suggested and get 4 Gb ram with the current low prices of DDR2 it would be silly not too

Yeah my old mobo was skt 939, I guess I should add another sata drive and vista64 to my bill.. :-(

Gee this is an expensive upgrade:

MOBO £150
CPU £150
RAM £35
Cooler £35
Arctic silver 5 £5
Delivery £10 (different suppliers)

Total so far £385

New Drive £50 (my others are full of data)

Total £435

Vista 64 Home basic £75

Total £510

ArrrrrgH: my ps3 only cost £350 and my puter was ok last week :-(
 
I'd personally go Vista 64 with 4gb ram.

XP64 is nice and stable but unfortunately support is pretty low and with vista now in full flow, support for xp64 is next to zero.
 
Yeah my old mobo was skt 939, I guess I should add another sata drive and vista64 to my bill.. :-(

Gee this is an expensive upgrade:

MOBO £150
CPU £150
RAM £35
Cooler £35
Arctic silver 5 £5
Delivery £10 (different suppliers)

Total so far £385

New Drive £50 (my others are full of data)

Total £435

Vista 64 Home basic £75

Total £510

ArrrrrgH: my ps3 only cost £350 and my puter was ok last week :-(

Sorry to add more to this, but I'd advise going a step up and getting Home Premium. Basic has only the very basics, home premium has much more.
Though you could use the XP Pro x64 to mean you could get a Vista upgrade license instead of an OEM/Retail license, though you couldn't then sell on the XP 64 copy.
 
me personally would use XP Pro SP2 or SP3, apart from aero and dx10, xp is faster and above all most users choice, im using xp sp2.

aero, you can download bricopacks to looks vista (no transparancey), or windows blinds etc.

you can save yourself a bob or to and get xp, maybe in a year or two miss vista out and get windows se7en ;)
 
If you already have xp, don't bother buying vista, it's a waste of money. 32 bit will be more compatible with more hardware and software,. I'd only really bother with xp pro x64 if you have 4gb RAM +. 2GB memory will run fine with xp, but memory isn't too expensive these days, so it may be worth upgrading.

Generally with your current system though I'd say save some money and stick with xp. XP feels faster, is more stable and I prefer it (note this is my opinion, no flaming needed) just make sure it's sp3, as it supports multiple cpus better than sp2 (though there is a hotfix for that, it's included with sp3).

If you decide to get Vista, go Home Premium x64. It includes more than basic, supports the qadded memory (being 64 bit) and is reportedly more stable then the 32 bit versions of vista.
 
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yeah ive tested vista ultimate 32-bit and i honestly feel its a step back, behind the gui and a few things, you wil soon miss xp.

its fast like matt said, easier to use and overall more better.

i know you can change things in vista like the daft UAC and what not, for me xp is install ready, you dont need to faff about changing niggly bits, in vista it may take you some time before you are happy with it.

also i see no difference in DX10 and DX9
 
Get your self a linux distro on there......

In reality though just get vista 64, dont be silly and stick with an 8 year old os just because its familiar, otherwise we'd all still be on windows 2000 or 98 just because we were used to it and didnt like change/improvement.
 
we moved from those operating systems because xp is the most rock solid, why do you think microsoft still support it, even after they said they were going to stop supporting xp, because it has a huge following still.

you ask anywhere, even google it http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=is+vista+better+then+xp%3F&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

sp3 for xp came after microsoft announed they are stopping updates, support etc for xp, now they have SP3 and still a hell of a lot of people using it.

If you have the money buy vista, try it, and be mildly dissapointed, buy XP and be happy you did. Im just another of a million people saying dont buy vista because it looks good, because its performance is sub-par :rolleyes:
 
Interesting, Thanks.

I think I'll see if XpPro boots from my old drive and try and install the new chipset drivers.
If not then it's clean install time. XPpro x64 or vista64 still undecided.

Cheers
 
forgot to add, i dont even think windows aero is all its cracked up to be, its not no where near as good looking as the themes you can download from sites like deviantArt
 
you can save yourself a bob or to and get xp, maybe in a year or two miss vista out and get windows se7en

You advise to miss out Windows Vista because it essentially has nothing over Windows XP but then say you should move to Windows 7 when it comes out? I'm sorry but something's not quite right there. For all intents and purposes, Windows 7 is basically Windows Vista with a few tweaks here and there and what seems to be slightly better optimized for lower specification machines.

i know you can change things in vista like the daft UAC and what not, for me xp is install ready, you dont need to faff about changing niggly bits, in vista it may take you some time before you are happy with it.

Please stop spreading misinformation just to try and make Windows Vista look worse than it actually is. User Account Control is far from a daft idea and quite honestly, those that think it's useless and what not clearly have no understanding of it or certainly don't have a proper understanding of UAC.


I'm sorry but to simply type in "Is Vista better than XP" into Google and see what comes up and then judging Windows Vista based on the results is a pretty daft idea. For a start, it's completely unreliable since quite a few of those links are going to go to posts saying that Windows Vista is incompatible with a lot of hardware and software because those posts were written near the time of Windows Vista's release. At this stage in Windows Vista's life though, compatibility is not an issue or certainly not to the extent that it's your number one reason for not moving to Windows Vista.

Secondly, Windows releases always have their fair share of issues to deal with. Unfortunately though, these issues seem to get completely blown out proportion. For example, games running slower on the newly released operating system compared to the previous one. Whilst this was the case when Windows Vista was first released, the performance between Windows Vista and Windows XP is now minimal at best and yet people still use this as an excuse as to why you shouldn't move to Windows Vista.

Thirdly, you then get the complete FUD that some people post like "Why does Vista use all my memory, it doesn't in XP", "I'm an enthusiast, I know what I'm doing, I don't need this useless UAC thingy" (And then those same people advise their friends to turn it of and then their friends and so on and all whilst brainwashing them and everyone around them that UAC is nothing but useless) and things like "Vista is the new ME II".

When people that are new to Windows Vista use your pretty poor advice by just simply typing "Is Vista better than XP" into Google, their also going to be completely misinformed and going to be completely put of by purchasing it. Quite a lot of the reasons why people dislike Windows Vista, like what has just been mentioned above, are pretty mute, which in the majority of cases is down to the individual not being properly informed. I'm not saying that Windows Vista is the perfect operating system, of course it's not but it's certainly not as bad as some people like to portay it.
yeah ive tested vista ultimate 32-bit and i honestly feel its a step back, behind the gui and a few things, you wil soon miss xp.

If you have the money buy vista, try it, and be mildly dissapointed, buy XP and be happy you did. Im just another of a million people saying dont buy vista because it looks good, because its performance is sub-par

Once again, you are assuming that yabadabadoo isn't going to be happy with it. I bought Window Vista and was more than happy with the operating system and the same goes for a large number of people out there too. So, why is it indefinite that yabadabadoo will be unhappy with Windows Vista?
 
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Im a software developer and install software on a numerous amount of target operating systems, UAC makes the task tedious when i need to grant permission nearly everytime just to install something, then run it.

End of the day no one is going to agree on this subject, i suggest xp because in my opinion having thoroughly tested vista and xp, its still the best - even when i bought a brand new pc from cougar last year, they reccomend xp (odd as you would think they would reccomend vista to make extra £)

Secondly, Windows releases always have their fair share of issues to deal with. Unfortunately though, these issues seem to get completely blown out proportion. For example, games running slower on the newly released operating system compared to the previous one. Whilst this was the case when Windows Vista was first released, the performance between Windows Vista and Windows XP is now minimal at best and yet people still use this as an excuse as to why you shouldn't move to Windows Vista.[/QOUTE]

Have you tried copying, and moving large files over vista, and done the same on xp? you will be suprised by the time it takes, you will be making your 2nd cup of coffee on vista, whilst you have just finished your first on xp

Thirdly, you then get the complete FUD that some people post like "Why does Vista use all my memory, it doesn't in XP", "I'm an enthusiast, I know what I'm doing, I don't need this useless UAC thingy" (And then those same people advise their friends to turn it of and then their friends and so on and all whilst brainwashing them and everyone around them that UAC is nothing but useless) and things like "Vista is the new ME II".

When people that are new to Windows Vista use your pretty poor advice by just simply typing "Is Vista better than XP" into Google, their also going to be completely misinformed and going to be completely put of by purchasing it. Quite a lot of the reasons why people dislike Windows Vista, like what has just been mentioned above, are pretty mute, which in the majority of cases is down to the individual not being properly informed. I'm not saying that Windows Vista is the perfect operating system, of course it's not but it's certainly not as bad as some people like to portay it.

Once again, you are assuming that yabadabadoo isn't going to be happy with it. I bought Window Vista and was more than happy with the operating system and the same goes for a large number of people out there too. So, why is it indefinite that yabadabadoo will be unhappy with Windows Vista?


....Let him buy vista then, im simply advising against, dont blame when you shoot yourself in the foot and he buys vista and is not happy. :o
 
Im a software developer and install software on a numerous amount of target operating systems, UAC makes the task tedious when i need to grant permission nearly everytime just to install something, then run it.

End of the day no one is going to agree on this subject, i suggest xp because in my opinion having thoroughly tested vista and xp, its still the best - even when i bought a brand new pc from cougar last year, they reccomend xp (odd as you would think they would reccomend vista to make extra £)




....Let him buy vista then, im simply advising against, dont blame when you shoot yourself in the foot and he buys vista and is not happy. :o

Yer chatting crap dude, There is no reason to advise against Vista nowadays. Going from some of your posts in this thread, makes me think you don't know what your talking about.

Sub-par performance compared to XP? Please!
 
Im a software developer and install software on a numerous amount of target operating systems, UAC makes the task tedious when i need to grant permission nearly everytime just to install something, then run it.

Not a very good one then. Because most software developers worth their salt will just make a couple small tweaks to their executable's manifest file. Then the problem of having to manually go to "Run as Administrator" is eradicated.

Software developers that oppose new operating systems and live in the past will struggle finding employment once jobs for XP-era development dry up (which is happening very fast now).
 
Oh god, not more people with there stuck in the past bandwagon XP views.

Get vista 64bit, it flys and is very stable on a new pc. You wont regret it.
 
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