Overclocking This

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I have decided to try and tune up my system a little more than what I have currently done - upped the FSB to 218Mhz and increased the RAM by 0.1V. I only know the basics of overclocking, so some suggestions would be great :)

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I have tried going about 218Mhz for the FSB, but then my system does not boot up properly - it POSTS and shows that the CPU is overclocked, but freezes there and does not get to the part where it searched for devices connected by SATA. At this point, I have to reset the BOIS by pulling out the battery, and starting over again :(

The BIOS has the following options for overclocking... I can change the FSB, Multiplier is already on max, I can have limited RAM dividers, change Memory Timings, and Voltages for most of the components...
 
Do you have the option of setting the htt link to 4x? As its currently on 5x going by the screenshot showing it at over 1000MHZ, this is generally the highest htt link these athlon 64s can work on so try lowering it to 4x making it just over 800 at your current FSB.
 
ghgh said:
Do you have the option of setting the htt link to 4x? As its currently on 5x going by the screenshot showing it at over 1000MHZ, this is generally the highest htt link these athlon 64s can work on so try lowering it to 4x making it just over 800 at your current FSB.

Yes, I think there is the option for that... how would lowering this help, and what would I do after that? :confused:
 
try for more FSB when you've lowered it, firstly try the setting that wouldn't boot up at 5x htt but at 4x to check it has worked. Lowering it makes no difference to performance but increases the likelyhood of more overclocking of the FSB as the chips cant run above 1000mHz htt link but at 800MHz you have 200 spare mhz to work with raising the FSB, then if you reach 250MHz FSB lower it to 3x htt.

also, it might be worthwhile trying seting your memory to the 166mhz divider as 218 might be its limit...my geil value pc3200 can do 225 stable and 231 iffy but not all is the same.

try lowering htt to 4x
see what the ram will do with +0.2/0.3v
if not enough try the 166 mhz divider.
thats my opinion

Regards
ghgh
 
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I found the following guide on another forum (not sure if I can link to it, so I am quoting it):

First Thing First... Let’s see how fast our Processor can go.

Set your Memory Divider at its lowest setting. (Usually 100 or 133) This will give us a LOT of headroom to push out CPU.

Next, Drop your HTT Multiplier to 3x and your CPU Multiplier 1 Notch (If you have a 2 GHz CPU, drop your Multiplier down to 9x)


with these settings most AMD systems will boot and run at a 230HTT so go there first. Once you get into Windows, Run a 1Million run of SuperPi, and then a Prim95 Max heat test for about 10 Minutes. If it passes both of those, its time to go further.
Go 5 MHz at a Time and Repeat. During this we'll want to raise the VCore of our Processor to maintain stability. Once SuperPi and/or Prime95 fail, raise your VCore .05 Volts and Try again. SEE CPU Voltages Ademdum at the end of this guide for processor specific Voltage recomendations.
This is a Slow Time Consuming process, so have a few Mountain Dews and some chocolate bars handy.

Once your push your HTT bus back over 800 MHz (267HTT Bus) raise your Chipset Voltage up to 1.7

with any luck, you'll hit 260-280HTT Depending on your CPU.

Write this info down and then we move on to testing out Memory.
CPU TEMPS ADDDENDUM
As stated above, A64s are VERY efficient, there have been reports of outrageous overclocks using the stock AMD Heatsink. But I would still recommend a high quality Swiftech or Thermalright Unit. (Dee DavidHammocks HSF Guide for specifics)

Anyway, Standard Desktop chips should be kept under 55c in ALL cases. It should NOT be hard to keep then under 45-48c with good quality cooling. Running higher than that is a good indication that you have misapplied your HSF and/or AS-5 Remount.
Mobile chips are rated a bit higher, but there is still no reason to ever see temps higher than 55c. The lack of an IHS provides better contact with the Heatsink and it’s very possible to keep temps at 45 and lower with quality cooling. Even with high overclocks.

Torture your Memory Next
Memory is usually the Culprit in holding back overclocks. Finding out the capabilities of what our memory can do is critical.

Drop your HTT bus back down to 200, and reset your Memory Divider to 1:1 (Usually "AUTO") Leave your CPU Multiplier at 9x (For a 10 Stock Multi) and let start out at 215 at Stock Timings, Bump VDimm up to 2.7v(Or +.1Volt)

The 2 tests you want to do here are SuperPi 1 Million and Memtest86 You'll need a Floppy disc or Bootable CD to run Memtest86 (Or if you have a DFI UT, there is a Modded BIOS available with Memtest built in)

Run 5 Passes of Memtest86, then boot into Windows and Run SuperPi. You won’t be fast, but SuperPi 1Million runs a LOT of numbers through your Memory. If all goes well, go up 5 MHz at a time until one starts to error.
That’s where we need to start loosening the timings.
Go up .5 on Cast Latency, 1 on RAS to CAS Delay, 1 on RAS Precharge, and 2 on Cycle Time (Tras) and Repeat these tests. Depending on your memory,
you may want to loosen them more, but I would suggest keeping them under 3-4-4-11 if at all possible. If you’re using Memory Other than TCCD based, don’t be afraid to bump your Memory voltage more. Most modules will take 2.9-3.0 Volts just fine and BH-5 has been known to go as high as 3.3 to 3.5v!


Once you've found your Memory’s max speed, this is where we need to do some math. Most likely there’s a sizeable gap between what your CPU can do and what your Memory can do. That’s OK.... That’s why we went down a Notch or 2 on our CPU Multiplier testing.

Lets say your CPU went to 260 Stable with a 1x drop in your Multi, Not bad.... a 340Mhz O/C on a stock 2Ghz chip... but your memory only went to 230 before you had to go to slow in your Timings. That’s OK.... Drop the HTT down to 230 and bring your Multiplier back to stock speed (10 xs in our example) you should have a Rock Solid 300Mhz overclock on your hands.

If the Gap between your Memory and CPU is so high, you can’t get to your Max CPU Speed with your Stock Multiplier, we may need to run a higher Divider on our Memory.
If we're talking 30+ MHz base difference.... You should probably drop your Memory Divider down to 166 and use your Max CPU Speed we figured out. Less than 30 MHz and you'll probably get better performance running 1:1 at your Memory speed. I say this because we'll be losing memory speed at our best settings at that point. Only use a Higher Divider IF your CPU speed will bring your Memory speed to within 2-5 MHz of your MAX Memory Speed. 240HTT X10 = 2400Mhz, Divided By 11 (166) brings out Memory down to 218Mhz If out MAX speed as 236, we're Giving away Memory bandwidth for no reason. However, if your Max CPU bus is 260, then we get this 260x10 = 2600 /11 = 236.
See how that works? Now out Memory is maxed AND out CPU is maxed....

I am currently doing the first step and my FSB/HTT is at 260Mhz and its stable without increasing the voltage :)
 
I have been playing around with everything... and this is where I have reached. The system becomes unstable if I try and increase the FSB/HTT any more :confused:

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The temperatures I am getting at the moment with my Arctic Freezer 64 are the same as when I was running the FSB/HTT at 218Mhz (see first post)!

How do I run the RAM at 1T? Also, I don't know a thing about RAM timings, so do mine look alright?

/Edit: actually the system isn't entirely stable... the SuperPi test fails as soon as its started now :(
 
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I managed to get the system stable at last... just brought the FSB/HTT down until it worked, because I was getting bored and wanted to watch some films :p

Any ideas on how to improve the following now:
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I have just managed to get it up to 2.7Ghz (700Mhz up from stock, and the temperatures under stress are only a few degrees above what it used to be, so not too bad).

In order to do this, I had to use a different divider, and now the frequency of the RAM is slightly lower - which is better... CPU speed or RAM speed?

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my wallpaper is hot ;)
 
you might have reached the limit of your cpu there mate....I wouldnt go much above 1.55v on air cooling but your temps are great.

look in the bios for 1/2t command rate for the memory - this really speeds things up in benchmarks at least. If its not in the BIOS download A64 Tweaker and this will allow this setting to be set.
 
ghgh said:
you might have reached the limit of your cpu there mate....I wouldnt go much above 1.55v on air cooling but your temps are great.

look in the bios for 1/2t command rate for the memory - this really speeds things up in benchmarks at least. If its not in the BIOS download A64 Tweaker and this will allow this setting to be set.

I have actually set only 1.5V in the BIOS :)

I couldn't find the option in the BIOS, but if you look in one of the screen shots above, I already have A64 Tweaker... and maybe I am just being stupid, but where on Earth is this option :confused:
 
its on the right hand side mate (sorry i didnt see a64 there)....its called 2T Timing (enable / disable) you want to set it to disable making the command rate 1t for the fastest setting.
 
ghgh said:
its on the right hand side mate (sorry i didnt see a64 there)....its called 2T Timing (enable / disable) you want to set it to disable making the command rate 1t for the fastest setting.

Duh, silly me :o

Well, I have just tried it and it seemed fine until I ran the Memory Bandwidth Test in Sandra and although it finishes and I get over 600MB/s increase on both results, the machine crashes and speakers start emitting a high pitched nouse :(
 
Some memory can't handle running at 1t Command Rate..you may have been unlucky with your geil value as mine will run at 1t totally stable but at 228MHz ish CL2.5.

The 2700 MHz might be further than your chips limit however, as it is a Winchester and Im not sure they clock as well as Venices but I might be wrong there.

Try setting the Cas Lattency to CL2.5 as its default timings @ 200MHz should be 2.5 and it says its at CL2.0 when the processor is at 2700MHz, may help may not.

Also, try upping the vcore to 1.55v - your temps are great so this vcore shouldn't be a problem and may just help get it more stable at 2700. If you haven't already try setting the vdimm +0.3v if you have the option, but not over 2.9v IMO.
 
My Geil Golden Dragon refuses to run at 1T or timings tighter than 2-4-4-9 (I tried 2.5-3-3-9).

The previous clock was slightly unstable, so I tweaking it a little... and now I have got to this... rock solid :)

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ghgh said:
sweet man, very nice work. :)


Hmm... the computer had been on 24/7 since my last post in this thread... but just 30 minutes ago it randomly crashed, and keeps on crashing when I boot back into windows.

I tried reducing the FSB/HTT to 250Mhz, but that didn't help. For the time being I have put it back to its default state... and it seems to run fine.

I don't know what went wrong :(
 
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