Painting over gloss

gazref

gazref

gazref

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Oiled based gloss doors have now yellowed. What's the simplest way in your experience to go about applying a same colour Satin finish? I have 15 or so doors to do.

I've seen advice from apply a primer then paint.
Sand to key and apply the satin.
Sand, prime and satin.

I've got some zinsser 123 for other jobs and that stuffs hella expensive so I'd rather not have to do 15+ doors with it.

Thanks
 
Depends on the current quality of the decoration. Rubbing down correctly, flatting off and sharpening the lines will make an enormous difference.

Slapping satin on keyed gloss could look awful.
 
depending on grease and age of paint always better to sand it down .. or you could paint and hope .. :)
cheap hand sander would be great bout £20 from b&q
 
I sand down then use water based gloss from screwfix gives a satin finish. Very pleased with it and it doesn't stink the house out for months.
 
You really need to key the gloss as a minimum otherwise the satin will chip easily or at worst peel of in time.

Using primer will likely give the most hardwiring finish, you could use a cheaper one if cost is an issue.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You really need to key the gloss as a minimum otherwise the satin will chip easily or at worst peel of in time.

Using primer will likely give the most hardwiring finish, you could use a cheaper one if cost is an issue.
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this is what I did. Didn't want the effort to go to waste with a poor finish. Got a water based trade primer. 1 coat. Put satin on this morning but think it might need a 2nd.

Better 1 x primer 2 x coats or 2x primer and 1 coat?
Honestly might be worth bringing in some hired help. This is not my wheel house and I could be spending the time doing other jobs. How much would a painter and decorator charge in this climate? Ball park day rate? How many doors could a pro do per day.
 
You’ll need at least two coats of satin regardless of how many coats of primer to get a decent finish.

No idea on a trades person as I’d just do it myself.
 
I have been very impressed with Leyland trade undercoat and satin gloss. Sand to take the shine off, one coat of undercoat and two coats of gloss. It isn't as durable as oil based gloss but it dries in minutes and doesn't yellow so you can easily touch up where needed.
 
lookitsjonno said:
I have been very impressed with Leyland trade undercoat and satin gloss. Sand to take the shine off, one coat of undercoat and two coats of gloss. It isn't as durable as oil based gloss but it dries in minutes and doesn't yellow so you can easily touch up where needed.
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I think that's the same undercoat I've got. We are sticking with gloss on the top coat, but it's easy to tell where you've missed as it's not shiny:D.
 
lookitsjonno said:
I have been very impressed with Leyland trade undercoat and satin gloss. Sand to take the shine off, one coat of undercoat and two coats of gloss. It isn't as durable as oil based gloss but it dries in minutes and doesn't yellow so you can easily touch up where needed.
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Thats the paint I used. Had some unintended results though.

I used sugar soap to wash the door.
Sand to remove the shine.
1 x primer undercoat
2 x top coat

Final result was a textured/not flat finish. That way since the primer and I thought it would smooth out with further coats. I'm beginning to think, despite internet advice, a foam roller wasn't the way to apply it? FML
tldr: i'm an idiot
 
gazref said:
Thats the paint I used. Had some unintended results though.

I used sugar soap to wash the door.
Sand to remove the shine.
1 x primer undercoat
2 x top coat

Final result was a textured/not flat finish. That way since the primer and I thought it would smooth out with further coats. I'm beginning to think, despite internet advice, a foam roller wasn't the way to apply it? FML
tldr: i'm an idiot
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Roller on the paint, then neaten up with the brush. Never had any success with just the roller, like you say it bubbles up and goes blotchy (unless I've been using it wrong!)
 
lookitsjonno said:
Roller on the paint, then neaten up with the brush. Never had any success with just the roller, like you say it bubbles up and goes blotchy (unless I've been using it wrong!)
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I think it buddles depending on the previous service. I use a roller on doors and it's fine, but the paint went on wierd on my window ledge, but I think I've used silicone sealant to seal the edges and we all know how well paint sticks to that:D.
 
Depending on the age and moulding of the door have you considered a eat gun? I did some of our old woodwork and the glodss came off is massive chunks.

Was so much easier and far less messy than sanding.
With all the gloss removed I gave it a light sand and then used satinwood on everything. I hate gloss all of our new skirting and doors are satinwood
 
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