Pairing 5.1 speakers with an Onkyo TX-NR363.

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Pairing 5.1 speakers with an Onkyo TX-NR636

I have just bought a new Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver which will allow me to dive into the world of 5.1 audio. The question I need answering though, is what speaker combination would be best for me?

My budget is around £500-600 for speakers and a sub.

My main uses will be movies and music, but mainly movies, and my room is roughly 5.5m x 4.0m. The floor to ceiling height is 2.4m, so the room is roughly 53 cubic meters.

I was thinking of wall mounting the speakers in each corner of the room, mainly for convenience - which I thought I would mention, as I read that speaker placement and whether or not there is room behind each speaker is important.

What do you guys recommend? :D
 
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I'm guessing 363 is a typo and you've really got a 636. If so then you've invested somewhere around £450 in a receiver, and now plan to take the budget to a grand or more with the speakers. That's a pretty tidy wedge of cash in total. So you really need to know that if you go through with your plan to put the speakers in the corners then you'll be wasting an awful lot of the potential of the system.

Corners are bad places for most speakers. There are two main problems. One is that that sound bounces off the walls (and ceiling if mounted high) as well as coming directly to you from the speaker. That's like having three (or four) speakers placed closely together but all slightly out of time with each other. The result is that each proper speaker sounds vague and unfocussed because of the secondary reflected echoes. It's not as bad as the indistinct sound of announcements in say a railway station, but it's certainly not the effect you want in any sort of domestic audio system.

The second problem is space. With the speakers so far apart there's a gap or hole in the sound stage so you hear three distinct (but unfocussed) sources. It spoils the effect that should make you forget you're listening to speakers at all.

More to follow....

Thanks for the response. That's pretty in depth.

It's for my bedroom, so ideally the corners are best in terms of keeping things off the floor etc... it's a shame, but I need floor space :(
 
Thanks for the reply Lucid, that's really helpful.

Had a look the Monitor Audio Mass system and it definitely looks like the kind of thing I need, especially because of space restrictions etc.

My only question would be, because this is a '5.1 in a box' kind of system, a lot of AV forums frown upon that and recommend buying separate speakers, the best front your money can buy, and then upgrade each speaker as and when funds allow - does this change your recommendation?

Also, not sure what the implications are for having the same speaker as the surrounds for the centre with the Mass system. I'd have thought the centre speaker would have 3 separate tweeters, and/or be a different model/spec?
 
Okay, some good questions. I'm going to deal with them in a slightly different order to how you asked...



I'm not sure what your understanding is of speaker drivers or why you think the centre speaker would necessarily have to have three tweeters. This doesn't rule out a centre speaker design from having three tweeters of course, but it is very unusual. The centre speaker is producing sound for its own channel, and not for all three front channel speakers.

As for having the same or differing designs across the front three speakers (left, centre, right), the ideal configuration is three identical speakers. This even extends to all three speakers being oriented in the same way. Clearly though that has implications for practicality and aesthetics: A horizontal design is often the preferred choice for a centre speaker purely because it's a better fit with a TV screen. But that then has an impact on the sound. Just lying a speaker down like that will change the dispersion pattern and so also change the tone of the sound. So that's part of why you see centre speakers with a different design to the left and rights. If you also look at the content of the sound from the front three speakers, nearly all the dialogue comes from the centre, and it's providing upwards of 70% of the sound in the front 3 channels. The front L&R are mostly contributing effects, music and some panning effects. So the centre is the hardest working speaker. You'll often find that with smaller 5.1 speaker kits that the centre is the beefiest just because of how much work it does.

Where you'll see exceptions is in kits designed with LCR speakers. LCR stands for Left/Centre/Right. This is the same design speaker that can be oriented vertically or horizontally without changing the tone significantly. This has been done by a number of manufacturers - e.g. Tannoy (DC4 LCR), B&W, KEF, Monitor Audio, M&K, and other premium brands.

The Monitor Audio MASS system follows this LCR principle. So you're looking at a speaker system that follows the highest ideals of front channel design principles.

If you'd said you had no restrictions on where the speakers could be placed then yes, it would have changed my recommendation. I would have been talking about stand mount front speakers away from the front wall, and some wall mounted dipole surrounds. But that's not the case for you. You need wall mounted speakers, and while basic compact bookshelf speakers can certainly be wall mounted, there's very little mileage upgrading them to larger standmount speakers in the future if you're still expecting to have them wall mounted. So I stand by my recommendation of the MASS system both as an appropriate solution with your 636, and I think they're good enough should you decide to upgrade the amp in the future to something in the £1000 range.


In the end though this is all your choice. You might fall in love with some different speakers or change your mind about making space on the floor. It's up to you.

Thanks for that mate - clears a lot of things up.

Definitely considering buying the MA Mass from what you're saying. I have found the system minus the sub, new, for £399. Would you recommend buying the complete system including the Monitor Audio sub, or buying the 5.0 system and then a BK sub (XLS 200?) like you mentioned, separately?
 
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