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Skeeter

Skeeter

Skeeter

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I've said it before...

Bye bye. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

The sooner Looney De Mentalzemolo is gone, the better.
 
If this was Martin Whitmarsh talking about McLaren pulling out, everyone would agree with the points he was making and shout loudly and often that something needs to be done. But because it's Luca and Ferrari, everyone is going to say 'LOL LEAVE THEN LOL'.

"We race not just for the publicity it brings us but above all to carry out advanced research aimed at all aspects of our road cars: engine, chassis, mechanical components, electronics, materials and aerodynamics, to such an extent that the technology transfer from track to road has grown exponentially over the past twenty years.

"What is not so good is that 90 per cent of performance is now based exclusively on aerodynamics and another negative is that ours is the only sport where no testing is allowed.

"We are building cars, not helicopters, rockets or planes.

"Sure, we must not go back to the excesses of a few years ago, but neither should we be in a position where we can't provide opportunities for the youngsters we are bringing on in the Ferrari Driver Academy.
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All good stuff, and all about to be completely ignored. Such a shame.
 
JRS said:
If this was Martin Whitmarsh talking about McLaren pulling out, everyone would agree with the points he was making and shout loudly and often that something needs to be done. But because it's Luca and Ferrari, everyone is going to say 'LOL LEAVE THEN LOL'.

All good stuff, and all about to be completely ignored. Such a shame.
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How many times has he threatened to pull Ferrari out?
 
JRS said:
If this was Martin Whitmarsh talking about McLaren pulling out, everyone would agree with the points he was making and shout loudly and often that something needs to be done. But because it's Luca and Ferrari, everyone is going to say 'LOL LEAVE THEN LOL'.

All good stuff, and all about to be completely ignored. Such a shame.
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yea get rid of most the aero crap bring back more real engineering but it would require more freedom
 
TBH, your right, he raises some good points.

The problem I have with him, and the whole of Ferrari is there attitude that F1 would die without them.

It wont. What will happen however, is Ferrari will loose the global stage that they use to promote their brand accross the globe, and all the marketing by association they do based on their F1 involvement. Leaving F1 would be suicide for Ferrari.

This, in my mind, makes all these constant threats just pathetic moans. They could sit down and make the arguments in a structured way with the aim of improving the sport. Stomping your feet like a 2 year old and saying you will leave if you don't get your way is just childish.
 
Of course F1 could survive without Ferrari. It survived the loss of Alfa and Maserati and Vanwall and Cooper and BRM and Honda and too many others to name. But it wouldn't be the same.
 
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While its ridiculous to throw around threats, his views on testing etc are completely accurate.
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But his views will just be brushed under the carpet as yet another empty threat from Ferrari to quit. His points would be listened to much more if he chose a more tactful way of putting them across.
 
The Horse Whisperer column.... Says it all really.

It's something they don't want attributed to anyone and usually seems to be used to apply a vast quantity of spin to something that Mentalzemolo has blurted out.
 
Ferrari are right, and would be great to see them leave and take the real teams with them (because they will certainly follow Ferrari) :) F1 can have HRT and Virgin, will be brilliant :)
 
JRS said:
Of course F1 could survive without Ferrari. It survived the loss of Alfa and Maserati and Vanwall and Cooper and BRM and Honda and too many others to name. But it wouldn't be the same.
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Only for the Tiffosi - for everyone is it COULD actually be better!!!
 
Yeah until you ask yourself where the likes of Mercedes and Renault will go without Ferrari....they are there to compete with the Ferrari name :)
 
Mercedes, yes.

Renault? Lol what? Since when were Renault a competitor in the car market with Ferrari?

The whole issue Ferrari have is that the FIA are trying to make F1 more appealing to car makers like Renault, VW, Honda, etc. Ferrari want an open formula with V12 engines and 3 or 4 car teams.
 
Skeeter said:
Mercedes, yes.

Renault? Lol what? Since when were Renault a competitor in the car market with Ferrari?
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Who said anything about them being in the same segment of the road car market? Mr Men said that they're in F1 to compete with the Ferrari name. Of course they aren't there to fight them at the 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' routine.

Skeeter said:
The whole issue Ferrari have is that the FIA are trying to make F1 more appealing to car makers like Renault, VW, Honda, etc. Ferrari want an open formula with V12 engines and 3 or 4 car teams.
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And how is the current Formula appealing to road car manufacturers? I mean, we've lost Toyota, Honda and BMW fairly recently. Ford have no 'works' involvement any more. Peugeot are long gone, Renault are scaling back their involvement. If the FIA are trying to get manufacturers interested, they aren't doing a very good job....

As Loony Luca pointed out, F1 is all about aerodynamics now rather than engines, trick electronics, fancy suspension systems etc. How spending eleventy squillion pounds on finding a trick diffuser design that gets around the rulebook is in any way relevant to road car technology is something that escapes me. So what's the incentive for road car manufacturers to join F1 if all they get to do is spend a crapload of money on aerodynamics wizardry and have to build an engine that is exactly like the one their competition is building?
 
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The original 2014 (2013 at the time) regulations.

I4 Turbo 1.6l Engines, much simpler aerodynamics, larger wheels, lower costs. All designed to get all the major car manufacturers who lumped ship back involved.

But Ferrari didn't like that (Inline 4's have zero relevance to Ferrari), so complained, got Merc on side too (for the same reasons), and now we have the mish mash middle ground V6 Turbo engine and no changes to wheel sizes and less radical changes to aero.

Every 'everyday' car maker on the planet either has or is planning to have 4 cylinder turbos in their cars. Does anyone run a 1.6l V6 Turbo in their road cars?

Ferrari are at one end of the scale, people like VW and Renault are at the other. The FIA aimed for an F1 closer to the VW/Renault camp, Ferrari complained, and we have ended up in no mans land in the middle.

But as always, Ferrari's views are valid, especially with regards to them as a road car maker and race team. Its the pathetic childish way they throw tantrums about them that annoys people.
 
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