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Does he live in America? It gets even better I guess, exercising your freedoms and all that brainwashing crap.
Parent & Child Parking
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Not sure if it's been mentioned but drop off and collect bays are my gear grinder. I've been told that I am blocking someone that use if for the same use... wile they have two full shopping bags in his hand 
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I can only assume he enjoys having dings in his car from parents struggling to strap their kids in through a 15cm gap
Location says Netherlands, but I'm guessing they're not a native, since the vast majority of Dutch people I've met have been very conscientious, thoughtful, and family oriented, not to mention (excessively) pragmatic. (granted this has been limited to friends, family, and general people out and about towns and cities, so hardly an exhaustive study)
That could also go some way to explain why P&C spaces aren't really a thing over there as they possibly aren't needed so much.
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Because people with children are not more important than everyone else, parking is first come first served
Sure, cause criminal damage because you feel entitled when you have kids... Luckily I have a parking cam so will pursue such damages (and have done so in the past), I'm sure they will take more care in the future if the claim goes to their insurance.I can only assume he enjoys having dings in his car from parents struggling to strap their kids in through a 15cm gap
I would love to live in the US. Brainwashing? I simply can't stand the ongoing degradation in traffic in general, anything that opposes the common motorist in flavour of any other group (in this case parents apparently) I will oppose.
Not sure why I'm continuing to discuss this I guess, I won't change my mind, any other special bays besides disabled ones are a bad idea and come at the cost of parking bays for everyone... There should not be any special bays except the most necessary.
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Dont be silly. No one is saying people woth children are more important, they're saying they're more vulnerable and therefore the P&C spaces are to reduce risk.
You think no one having kids is the solution to overpopulation? Think that thought process through a bit more buddy
You must be really insecure if you're worried that other people might be perceived as "more important" than you.
If it makes you feel a bit better, it's nothing to do with importance; I don't think the forum supports crayons, but since it seems even the most obvious of things need spelling out, i'll try to at least use small words to make it easier to understand
Someone strapping a kid in needs more space than someone getting in the car on their own.
A kid is more likely to accidentally swing their door open a little too hard and hit
Personally I don't buy the argument of needing to be closer to the entrance, and I'd much rather they were as far away as possible so they are left for those who actually need them
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For a while it would be better yes, although it's a tough problem because people born in poverty usually have excessive kids, in Europe, immigration is the main source of growth, all I know is that there are a few million people more these days and it's putting a huge pressure on the real estate prices, my house rose 50% in price in the past 5 years, infrastructure, etc... It's just more crowded everywhere than say 20 years ago. Less birth would help with reduction of the population aswell...
You are correct that children are more vulnerable, which is why parents should be extra careful. I have to admit that the goal is not terrible, but the time I went to the shop in question all the family spots near the entrance were empty, while the first 3 rows were full, it was pouring rain and I was buying a few hundred liters of garden soil, so simply did not want to walk far. The last time I went there I didn't have to use those spots as I could just use the EV charging bays which are at the entrance aswell (and yes I was charging).
So it's everyone elses problem now because some bays are sacrificed for that specific target demographic?
Yes, which is why you're supposed to use the child locks and only open the doors from outside being the parent, taking care of peoples properties and your own child's safety
You are correct in most cases, I prefer parking in a quiet corner, exactly for that reason, because I don't trust people with their doors, with 2 majors exceptions, if the weather is **** or I have to carry a lot of stuff to the car... Then you want the car at the entrance.
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Yes, because rents and morgages are out of control, it's impossible to buy a normal house these days even with 150% average income...
Not just the real estate prices, also the infrastructure, it's busier literally everywhere, NL would be (was) a much nicer country with a few mill less people. In the 90's this was a decent country where you could get from A to B without so much congestion and eveyone with an average income would be able to buy his/her house.
And it applies to everywhere and everything, the more people the less resources and land per person.
A small terraced house (100m²) in pretty much the whole country goes for €400.000 these days, and there is no other way around it, the prices exploded because of overpopulation. So yeah I blame everyone who contributes to overpopulation.
Not just the real estate prices, also the infrastructure, it's busier literally everywhere, NL would be (was) a much nicer country with a few mill less people. In the 90's this was a decent country where you could get from A to B without so much congestion and eveyone with an average income would be able to buy his/her house.
And it applies to everywhere and everything, the more people the less resources and land per person.
A small terraced house (100m²) in pretty much the whole country goes for €400.000 these days, and there is no other way around it, the prices exploded because of overpopulation. So yeah I blame everyone who contributes to overpopulation.
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Yes, precisely.
You live in a society which looks after* all members, young, old, rich, poor, able or disabled.
You almost certainly enjoyed the benefits of that society while you were a child, and will most likely do so when you are old and no longer able to support yourself, or if you are ever in the unfortunate position of losing your job, becoming chronically ill and unable to work, or any other difficult circumstances.
You could make the same argument of "bays being sacrificed" for the demographic who chose to drive an EV - I can't imagine you'd be too happy turning up to an EV charging spot, desperate to charge with 2 miles of range left, only to find an ICE car parked there because "first come first served"?
While obviously trivial in the grand scheme of things, respecting things like P&C spaces, not pushing your way to the front of the queue at the checkout, not parking in EV charging bays if not charging, not parking in front of a petrol pump while you go and do your weekly shop etc. are all part of the social contract which helps that society to exist - even though there are no laws to enforce them.**
* or at least tries to.
** in the UK, at the time of writing
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How the hell did it come to this
A breakdown of society caused by a lack of respect for social norms in the crumbling ruins of a decaying civilization.
Have you never seen a post-apocalyptic sci-fi/cyberpunk movie? It always starts with the parent and child spaces!!
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If we are leaving this planet I want parent and child parking for the space rocket car park!
So if Immigration is the leading source of overpopulation wouldn't the INTELLIGENT (I'm fairly certain no-one's ever accused you of being so) be to reduce or even stop immigration to stop it increasing?
Do you really think your leader would go to the people and say "You all need to stop having kids so we can fit all the migrants in"
Please, do everyone a favour and be the first no to reproduce.
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Read the book Broken Window, similar logic to what you have tried to suggest we avoid.
You really are someone who needs to get out more and meet real people, not just sit at home bashing on your ... keyboard.
Society operates on a belief that some people need help at different times of their lives and for different reasons. I used P+C spaces regularly when I had small children but now they are older I don't use those spaces and let other parents with small children use them. Your argument seems to also imply that disabled spaces should not be available because they "oppose(s) the common motorist in flavour(sic) of any other group".
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There should be spaces for people saving the world an additional lifetime worth of carbon emissions, by not having kids.
The whole "special parking spaces" thing got stupid after they started handing out blue badges to people who eat to much KFC.
The whole "special parking spaces" thing got stupid after they started handing out blue badges to people who eat to much KFC.
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