Parole board scores again!

Orionaut · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:08

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-46437471

Pretty speechless really.

Remember, this isnt a man who made some sort of youthful error that resulted in an unintended homicide

He murdered three children and impaled their bodies on a set of garden railings as if it was a gamekeepers gibbet!

The Magic Phase is...

The psychologist identified a number of factors which make it less likely that Mr McGreavy will re-offend in future.

Less likely! LESS LIKELY!

Jeepers

Based, no doubt on this in depth assessment.

These included his improved self-control and the fact that Mr McGreavy has learnt to remain calm in stressful situations.

Oh Lordy

And before anybody says anything about the parole Boards being the experts and all that. Their track record on this sort of thing isn't particularly good!

Rroff · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:16

I can see moving someone like this to a more open prison environment but they should never ever be released from custody - once you cross a line like that you never go back - even if they have significantly changed and in control of themselves - I think it incredibly naive to release him.

jsmoke · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:17

How come photo of him outside?

wesley · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:22

jsmoke said:
How come photo of him outside?

Day release

Rroff · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:23

Have to say having several young nephews and friends with young kids it makes me sick to the stomach reading about this - and I'm not generally easily moved by atrocities, etc. not that I don't find them abhorrent but usually I have a certain detachment.

Hades · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:28

He should never be released.

VincentHanna · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:31

I mean, yeah it's pretty weird but he has been in prison for 45 years....his original sentence was 20 years.

Prison is supposed to be punishment and reform, so there comes a point when these criminals will get released.

Yaayuh! · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:34

VincentHanna said:
I mean, yeah it's pretty weird but he has been in prison for 45 years....his original sentence was 20 years.

Prison is supposed to be punishment and reform, so there comes a point when these criminals will get released.

Quite. I don't really see a problem with this so long it's done by the book.

new boy · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:34

I'm all for trying to rehabilitate your "run of the mill" murderers, but there's no way this guy deserves a second chance at life.

Thekwango · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:35

VincentHanna said:
so there comes a point when these criminals will get released.

no. certain crimes should result in never seeing the light of day again.

He strangled Paul at the home in Gillam Street, Rainbow Hill, while Dawn was found with her throat cut. Samantha died from a compound fracture to the skull.

this is one of those.

dowie · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:36

Firstly, thanks for making an RSS thread

I do agree with your sentiments too OP.

VincentHanna said:
Prison is supposed to be punishment and reform, so there comes a point when these criminals will get released.

Well it isn’t very good at the reform side of things, it is good at keeping bad people away from the rest of society. I think in extreme cases like this that ought to be for life.

Rroff · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:37

VincentHanna said:
I mean, yeah it's pretty weird but he has been in prison for 45 years....his original sentence was 20 years.

Prison is supposed to be punishment and reform, so there comes a point when these criminals will get released.

If he had say thrown a kid down the stairs in a fit of anger killing them because they wouldn't shut up or something I might agree but what he did IMO there is no coming back from - once you cross that line it is forever. He didn't just kill a kid he systematically killed, mutilated and impaled them.

Someone who was the closest thing to a best friend at school is in prison and will never be released ever and is considered impossible to rehabilitate over a less severe crime (actually considered one of the most dangerous prisoners in the UK system despite not having done stuff as bad as some).

Yaayuh! · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:39

Rroff said:
If he had say thrown a kid down the stairs in a fit of anger killing them because they wouldn't shut up or something I might agree but what he did IMO there is no coming back from - once you cross that line it is forever.

In your opinion as a GD legal psychologist extraordinaire?

Rroff · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:40

Rossi~ said:
In your opinion as a GD legal psychologist extraordinaire?

Hands up I'm no expert but I've unfortunately some experience with this.

cheesyboy · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:40

dowie said:
I think in extreme cases like this that ought to be for life.

I tend to agree with you on this sort of case.

200sols · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:42

You commit a crime like this, there is no hope of rehabilitation, they will always be a threat. Prison until they die and no compassionate release at the end either.

CaptainRAVE · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:45

How on earth can you ever let someone like that out. Those poor children and their parents. Horrific.

Ayahuasca · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:48

How do you even begin to reform someone who's committed crimes like that?

It's nothing new that criminals can be intelligent and/or manipulative in ways that they're a step ahead of those that "review" them or with all those years inside with nothing to do, they become experts at playing the system and doing exactly what it is they need to do to get out.

I'm sure the board did an extensive review but with lines like "Mr McGreavy has learnt to remain calm in stressful situations." it is rather worrying, is it not just a natural process that most people who've done that amount of time inside will become calmer as they age and realise raging out doesn't do them any good.

IronWarrior · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:49

He was locked up at 21, he's done over 45 years in jail, almost 50. If they believe he's been rehabilitated, then I trust their judgement.

Clearly, he should be closely monitored for years afterwards with restrictions, ban from working with kids, kept away from schools and things of that nature, routine visits and a tracking device.

GGizmo · 4 Dec 2018 at 14:51

Again I make the point that certain serious crimes, when there is no possibility of a miscarriage of justice, should result in the death penalty. This is another example of such a crime.

I think when we have a situation were a person is going to be in jail for the rest of their live, vs that same person being executed then I think we should execute them.

This person is not going to be rehabilitated to a standard that the public demand, and is just a drain on public funds keeping him locked up, as well as the act of telling someone they can live in a square room for the rest of their life with no hope of release is also torture-like in nature.

There was only one answer for this mans crime.