Paternity leave

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Just looking to get some other thoughts and input on this situation as I have absolutely no experience in the matter, either professionally or personally!

I'm an employer and one of our guys is expecting on 10th October. We're only a small team of 7 so we've been really flexible with scans, classes, etc, and haven't asked him to set a pat leave date (which is supposed to be decided on the 15th week of pregnancy, with 28 days notice to alter it).

His job is on-location, so requires travel and working away. This work is client-facing, so isn't easily cancelled or rescheduled; certainly not at cost to us, and potentially losing a client because of the disruption. When he isn't on location (ie no active jobs) he takes up a secondary role in the office that's below his experience/salary.

We have a job this Sunday with an overnight stay on the Saturday as it's 4 hours away. It's a 3 person job and we've got another 2 off on holiday but him and his wife are concerned he'll miss the birth. The holidays and job has been booked in for at least 2/3 months.

We would obviously feel terrible if he misses the birth of his child but what are we supposed to do? He also dropped something along the lines of "if the work was local then obviously it'd be easier as I could just leave". Trouble is even that is incredibly disruptive; the job would have taken months to organise and we'd have to start from scratch. Best case scenario is we would lose £2000-3000, worst case scenario is we would lose the client and the whole cost of the project.

Obviously this situation is much easier with office workers and the like where a client wouldn't even know if you left at lunch, but how does this work in such an on location/client facing role? How can we be "kind" over what could be the next 3/4 weeks without putting our business into jeopardy and losing income? Do people just literally get up and leave work whatever they're doing when they get the call?
 
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Either plan around him having to leave mid job or reschedule/lose the job.

Seems like such an odd situation. It's an event so it can't be rescheduled, and the "job" is a client that's worth up to £50,000 a year. Like I said we can't cover his time because 2 are off on holiday which was approved as there's almost 2 weeks to go until the due date.

He's basically saying he's not comfortable going as it's so far away, but we're really thin/empty on options! Surely you can't just not go to work in case?
 
To answer most of the above, all 3 people are working on the same job on Sunday, not different ones. I'm also pretty confident the job was booked in before they conceived! In hindsight the holiday shouldn't have been approved, but the best part of two weeks before seemed like a fair way off! To have someone sat around doing nothing of value for 4 weeks just in case they need to swap seems a bit excessive even with hindsight.
 
Yes you’re going to have to move the job/lose the client if you can’t find a way to do the work without him and take the financial hit.

What would you do if he was sick in the same circumstances?

It can't be moved or rescheduled, it's an event. If he was sick my business partner would have to cancel his holiday to cover it. He can only do that with warning as he's 6 hours away and the job itself is shorter than that (ie he couldn't do that if the call came on the day). If that couldn't be done then there's not much we could do in any situation like that if the illness only happened on the day of the job (especially as it's 4 hours away from us!).
 
Get a contractor in to cover the work.

You've known about this for what, 6 or 7 months? Sounds like poor planning tbh.

Known about what? The job being 10 days before his due date? Absolutely. But he only told us he was concerned about doing it this morning. Conversely he's known about it for 2/3 months.

We don't/can't use contractors.
 
Slightly off topic from the call scenario, what if he just says he doesn't want to work, in case? Which I totally understand, but equally that's not much different to requesting holiday last minute and there's no guarantees she'll actually go into labour.
 
Don't be an employer if you can't honor what society has deemed suitable for paternity as well as reasonable adjustments pre birth. Your 50k pittance isn't worth a man/woman missing the birth of their child. Work on your own and don't scale, simples

Wind your neck in. "Society" has deemed picking a paternity start date at 15 weeks and requiring 28 days to amend it as "suitable". We haven't even asked him to do that, not to mention he's had at least quadruple the time off for scans and classes over the minimum requirements.
 
Thanks @BinnsY, that's helpful, both the info and the perspective. You're right, I'd misread the date requirement (mainly because we didn't ask for it to be given). As I said in the OP I don't know of anyone that's ever gone on paternity leave (neither a friend nor a colleague) so have literally no experience in the matter on a first-hand basis.
 
We gave him the opportunity to take it as holiday in the end, he wasn't actually that fussed but his Mrs was so he took it. A bit of serendipity with the brief changing on the day made life easier for the two of us but we still lost money. Baby didn't come, naturally.

This thread has been quite funny though, I showed it to my business partner who doesn't internet much (in this sense at least) and he was pretty disgusted. So many people jumping down my throat with absolutely no idea of what we do, how we treat our employees, what benefits they get, what they think of us, etc.

There were a handful of useful replies so thank you to the sensible/not-so-internet few of you ;).
 
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