Pay rises

theone8181

theone8181

theone8181

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I know this is a tricky one, but how do you guys go about it. I don't feel like I'm getting paid my worth as we have taken on a lot of management roles, partially due to agile. I'm looking at other jobs, so don't know whether to use the old threaten to leave (but only works if there is another job to go to). My thoughts were to mention I'm going to job interviews and see what happens. I'm a bit miffed as a guy does the same work as me (although has different job title), and has gone from 10% less than me to 10% more without really having to do much extra (some of which I did most of the work in the project he's managing!) This isn't meant to sound whiney but it probably does:p. All replies welcome. For reference he has about 2 years experience to my 10 (in this job, 20 total), but he has a phd but I only have a hnc (although i am part way through a degree)..
 
Thanks for the response. Some good ideas. I'll start making a list. When you say first instance, do you mean asking for one? In which case yes, however I've been doing the same job for 10 years and we used to get individual pay rises, however at the start of the year there was just a generic one for everyone.
 
I did ask for more responsibility but he was a bit wishy washy and said wait till the end of the degree:rolleyes:. I'm currently managing several smaller projects, which ironically is more than the other guy is doing.
 
dLockers said:
Do you feel you have stagnated, or are you happy in role? I ask because 10 years in role is a lot (in my industry at least).

At this stage I'd be saying I am feeling undervalued/underpaid and not being recognised for experience, maturity and stability in role. Young chappy may be on a trajectory which is why he is getting more fun tokens than you.
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Yes I think that's it. I'm at a point where everything is a bit old hat. Naa it can't be his maturity:cry:.
 
peterwalkley said:
Don't ever mention you are going to a job interview - that's putting a target on your own back :) Threaten to leave only works when you have a firm offer (or offers) in your hand.

Unless the other guys' PhD is directly relevant to your day to day work, I'd be sure your extra years on the job are far more useful - so don't let the difference in your academic qualifications put you off.

Biggest pay rises come with job moves to another company. Internal promotions give you the barest minimum they think they can get away with, or even the "fake promotion" where you get a load of extra responsibilities, BS job title and no extra money.
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Yes that's what I've found. It would put a target on my back as we're far more valuable, we're currently understaffed so gives me more bargaining power.
 
dLockers said:
I'd take a serious think then. When I offer more cash to people in similar situations, I typically expect them to keep playing mother-hen and stay where they are. It has happened in the past that I've secured a raise and then chappy has shot off to another department leaving me holding the embarrassment bag for sticking my neck out, and then he has left anyway.

Change in role, more responsibility, may be more what you are after and how the discussion should go?
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That's the route I'm going down. Do figures ever get mentioned, I've just listed reasonable pay rise.
 
I'm funding degree myself, although they gave me 2 days off fir exams. I'd like 5-10%, I don't see that as being unreasonable. Preferably as salary rather than on off as we get quarterly bonuses:D. 5-10% would be 1500-3000 (currently on just under 36k, so not exactly poor pay but I'd like more).
 
The difficulty is that the title is senior technician, however we end up doing to actual measurements rather than just setting stuff up. I'm not sure there are similar roles in the country, and unless it's in the same area not sure how valid they would be. For the degree, I'm waiting on results for year 2, assuming all OK that would be another 2 years before it's finished.
 
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Gav I’m feeling very undervalued in the role that I am currently in. I’ve always worked over the weekends when needed to ensure that work has been completed, and I’ve never turned work down when it’s required. I’ve assisted production in times of need and with agile along with the change requests that I’m managing (all of which are progressing nicely). I’ve also helped the various individuals in the department when needed (especially students). I also manage a large amount of the calibration/maintenance on pieces of equipment that need checking. I have also spent a lot of time ensuring the 100ix room downstairs is up to scratch for when we hand over to production.

I feel that it warrants a reasonable pay-rise (5-10%) for the extra responsibility/managing work that is being done, along with the many years of experience I have acquired. I did toy with the idea of change and applying for the applications engineer job, I still might if it comes back up.


Thanks


Chris


That's what I've drafted so far. Still need to bulk it out a bit.
 
dLockers said:
I'd temper a bit - you don't want to give him a heart attack;

Gav

As you know I'm a company man and have always been happy to go above and beyond the role. I am however starting to feel a little undervalued. From some initial glances at various job sites, I think the market rate for my unique collection of skills has overtaken what I am being paid, and my loyalty and experience isn't being appropriately taken into account. I would like to discuss whether we can work together to agree a reasonable pay rise (5-10%) with a view to correcting this?

I've listed some of the key highlights that we can use to talk to HR/big boss man:
* Weekend work
* Willingness to be challenged and take on new workloads
* Cross-department work and upskilling other individuals
...


Be careful that your list isn't read as you are the dogs body who does anything anyone else can't be bothered to do. E.g. machine calibration - do you have a machine calibration man who is just bone idol? In those instances you may be offered to relinquish some of the tasks rather than get more cash :p

Edit: Conclude on something like, let me know if you agree or if there is a best way to handle this. It opens it up for him to say crack on with your look elsewhere (confirms you are not valued :D) or a strategy to help you that will lead to 'SMART' action points.
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That is some good writing :p. We don't have a calibration department, although I believe we should do just to the sheer volume. The helping out bit was more of a going above and beyond to show people the ropes. The projects I've managed are small changes requests as well call them. We do have kpis, but they are ******** so aren't really relevant I.e. one of them is returning a system within 2 weeks which is easy when people don't ask you to do a months worth of testing.
 
HangTime said:
Definitely. You could have a problem marching in and demanding a pay rise if your manager is going to need to justify this against a backdrop of you failing to hit objectives. It's no good having KPIs and then bemoaning them for being rubbish, you need to work on making them fit for purpose, or at a minimum during your objective setting make sure you include written caveats (calling out dependencies etc) so you are not making excuses come appraisal time but instead referring back to these points already made. The last time I had objectives set, there was one cascaded target relating to changing the contract model for suppliers that I had no confidence in hitting, so I refined the wording to ensure I'd have sufficient wiggle room whilst still adhering to the overall ethos of what it was driving towards (cost savings).
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I see what you're getting at, but I've had a look at our intranet site and kpis aren't even on there anymore (we've also had a reshuffle of departments recently so that might be why). I'm not doing a very good job of explaining this, but it's r and d with lasers so most jobs tend to be unique and as such there aren't really any performance metrics to go off. Unique skills probably isn't to far off, as there isn't a market rate for what I do.
 
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