PC Failing to perform

Cynphur v2 · 20 Feb 2022 at 17:00

Hi, I bought a PC Bundle several years back and it's never really seem to hit it's stride at all! It's never really excelled at any game and giving reliable FPS no matter.. Be it playing on 4k or 1080p the FPS will never really hit 60fps. Even on less graphically intense games like Grim Dawn, Path of Exile.. Literally anything.

I tolerated it for years and I know it's outside of the warranty window but some input would be nice and try to resolve what my issue may be.

I'll copy in my DxDiag below just incase

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yIpm5N6a1KYu5ckHYk0KomTcLCrrDISK1-az9I24kpM/edit?usp=sharing

If you need anything further from give me a shout and I'll happily provide. I'd just like to get some firepower from this computer now instead of sluggish performance. I spent 4.5k on this like 5 years ago and I haven't been happy with it. Ever. I'd like to think two 1080 TI in SLI would run any game on 60fps even on 1080p but it really doesn't.

Tetras · 20 Feb 2022 at 17:44

Cynphur v2 said:
Hi, I bought a PC Bundle several years back and it's never really seem to hit it's stride at all! It's never really excelled at any game and giving reliable FPS no matter.. Be it playing on 4k or 1080p the FPS will never really hit 60fps. Even on less graphically intense games like Grim Dawn, Path of Exile.. Literally anything.

I tolerated it for years and I know it's outside of the warranty window but some input would be nice and try to resolve what my issue may be.

I'll copy in my DxDiag below just incase

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yIpm5N6a1KYu5ckHYk0KomTcLCrrDISK1-az9I24kpM/edit?usp=sharing

If you need anything further from give me a shout and I'll happily provide. I'd just like to get some firepower from this computer now instead of sluggish performance. I spent 4.5k on this like 5 years ago and I haven't been happy with it. Ever. I'd like to think two 1080 TI in SLI would run any game on 60fps even on 1080p but it really doesn't.

First off, I'd run benchmarks for the graphics card and CPU, to check that your scores are in the right ballpark. If they're not, then you can look at the config, drivers, etc. If they're performing correctly, then that'll be another discussion.

Cynphur v2 · 20 Feb 2022 at 18:16

What benchmark would you recommend?

Grimley · 20 Feb 2022 at 18:19

https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven

mickyflinn · 20 Feb 2022 at 18:42

Cynphur v2 said:
What benchmark would you recommend?

Userbenchmark.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software

throwaway4372 · 20 Feb 2022 at 18:50

I'd start with these steps:

Benchmark as above.
Take out one of the 1080 Ti cards, set it aside.
Make sure there's a 1080 Ti in the uppermost slot.
Connect the monitor to that 1080 Ti.
Go in the BIOS and disable Integrated Graphics.
Install the latest nvidia geforce driver.
Make sure all available windows updates are installed.
Restart and benchmark again.
Let us know both sets of benchmark results.

Assuming it works, sell the spare 1080 Ti.

t31os · 20 Feb 2022 at 22:07

What's the HDD setup? I had some issues when i missed that windows in it's infinite wisdom was creating page file on a random partition on a slower storage drive (moved that onto the OS ssd and performance across games was instantly better).

I'm holding 55-60 FPS in grimdawn and averaging 56 in Lost Ark and i'm 3 generations behind with 8gb of ram, no m2/nvme, just regular sata3.

Cynphur v2 · 23 Feb 2022 at 17:15

t31os said:
What's the HDD setup? I had some issues when i missed that windows in it's infinite wisdom was creating page file on a random partition on a slower storage drive (moved that onto the OS ssd and performance across games was instantly better).

I'm holding 55-60 FPS in grimdawn and averaging 56 in Lost Ark and i'm 3 generations behind with 8gb of ram, no m2/nvme, just regular sata3.

I have my main SSD 1TB that I run windows and my games from and a secondary HDD that just gets whatever put on to it. It shouldn't be an issue but who knows.

throwaway4372 said:
I'd start with these steps:

Benchmark as above.
Take out one of the 1080 Ti cards, set it aside.
Make sure there's a 1080 Ti in the uppermost slot.
Connect the monitor to that 1080 Ti.
Go in the BIOS and disable Integrated Graphics.
Install the latest nvidia geforce driver.
Make sure all available windows updates are installed.
Restart and benchmark again.
Let us know both sets of benchmark results.

Assuming it works, sell the spare 1080 Ti.

My build is a closed loop watercooling so I don't even know how to remove the cards! I've unplugged each card and ran it seperately and it's just the same except obviously I can't change the PCI slots it goes in to.

I'll run the benchmark soon and get a starting point!

Thanks for the advice.

ps. Is there anyway to check if it's the HDD that could be causing the issues?

mickyflinn · 23 Feb 2022 at 17:22

Cynphur v2 said:
I have my main SSD 1TB that I run windows and my games from and a secondary HDD that just gets whatever put on to it. It shouldn't be an issue but who knows.

My build is a closed loop watercooling so I don't even know how to remove the cards! I've unplugged each card and ran it seperately and it's just the same except obviously I can't change the PCI slots it goes in to.

I'll run the benchmark soon and get a starting point!

Thanks for the advice.

ps. Is there anyway to check if it's the HDD that could be causing the issues?

Install the game soley on a ssd if runs better there's your answer.

Joxeon · 23 Feb 2022 at 18:15

Sell one of the 1080ti's, the CPU and MB then grab a 12700k + Z690 (ddr4) board which should give you a a much more well rounded system and then in 7 or so months when the new Gpus come out then upgrade the other 1080ti.

Kelt · 23 Feb 2022 at 21:09

Joxeon said:
Sell one of the 1080ti's, the CPU and MB then grab a 12700k + Z690 (ddr4) board which should give you a a much more well rounded system and then in 7 or so months when the new Gpus come out then upgrade the other 1080ti.

Good advice.

t31os · 24 Feb 2022 at 00:10

Cynphur v2 said:
I have my main SSD 1TB that I run windows and my games from and a secondary HDD that just gets whatever put on to it. It shouldn't be an issue but who knows.

My build is a closed loop watercooling so I don't even know how to remove the cards! I've unplugged each card and ran it seperately and it's just the same except obviously I can't change the PCI slots it goes in to.

I'll run the benchmark soon and get a starting point!

Thanks for the advice.

ps. Is there anyway to check if it's the HDD that could be causing the issues?

Stick task manager up on the performance tab and when you're seeing problems look out for peaks/spikes on drives/partitions/ram/cpu for indications of where the issues are. If the second HDD is a literal HDD(non-SSD) check to make sure windows isn't using one of the partitions for page file.

JollyJamma · 24 Feb 2022 at 14:52

Cynphur v2 said:
Hi, I bought a PC Bundle several years back and it's never really seem to hit it's stride at all! It's never really excelled at any game and giving reliable FPS no matter.. Be it playing on 4k or 1080p the FPS will never really hit 60fps. Even on less graphically intense games like Grim Dawn, Path of Exile.. Literally anything.

I tolerated it for years and I know it's outside of the warranty window but some input would be nice and try to resolve what my issue may be.

I'll copy in my DxDiag below just incase

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yIpm5N6a1KYu5ckHYk0KomTcLCrrDISK1-az9I24kpM/edit?usp=sharing

If you need anything further from give me a shout and I'll happily provide. I'd just like to get some firepower from this computer now instead of sluggish performance. I spent 4.5k on this like 5 years ago and I haven't been happy with it. Ever. I'd like to think two 1080 TI in SLI would run any game on 60fps even on 1080p but it really doesn't.

Do you enable Gsync/freesync?? I noticed that you have a 60hz screen and you complain that it never goes above 60fps. 1080ti should do far more than 60fps in less demanding titles but the Nvidia control panel may be forcing all games to run at 60hz to match the screen.

Cynphur v2 · 5 Apr 2022 at 14:38

JollyJamma said:
Do you enable Gsync/freesync?? I noticed that you have a 60hz screen and you complain that it never goes above 60fps. 1080ti should do far more than 60fps in less demanding titles but the Nvidia control panel may be forcing all games to run at 60hz to match the screen.

I don't use either of them I just use Vsync. I don't mind it not going above 60fps if it consistantly stayed at 60fps! However it doesn't.. I can't even get almost any game to stay at 60fps unless it's like Cryofall which I'm sure my toaster could run smoothly.

I'm on Tiny Tina's Wonderlands now and the majority of my time I spend in combat shooting and casting spells I'm at about 45~ fps it's just stupid something isn't working as intended.

It's not a pagefile issues only my SSD has the pagefile my secondary doesn't have any on it.

I'm going to run some benchmarks and then post the results here.

My system is watercooled and I've no expertise on that at all. None. Zero so I can't change out any of the hardware myself now. I don't see any part on it to indicate that it's even drainable it all looks like a closed loop.

ChocAndGray · 5 Apr 2022 at 14:53

As others have said you should run some benchmarks to see if your results are comparable with similar spec pc's. If they're not then you know you've got an issue.

What I have done in the past when I think I'm not running at the fps I should be with my hardware is go on youtube and look for the game running on the same gpu/cpu.

I'd say the performance in Tiny Tina is probably about right on a 1080ti as at times with so much going on the fps drops are horrendous. I'm assuming that's 1080p right?

Also while you're running sli most games (especially modern ones) don't even support that so there'll be zero gains.

mickyflinn · 5 Apr 2022 at 15:31

What were your userbenchmark results, did everything perform as expected ?

Cynphur v2 · 5 Apr 2022 at 16:22

Here is my results from the 4 tests I done.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yUP6rhOGz40IbO76p2elfFgSqAJkOLdmfmJr71g5gdY/edit

I noticed on each one of them that my GPU was going from 70-100% pretty consistantly while my CPU was sitting anywhere between 14-28% Mostly at 14% though.

Do you think this affects the performance? Even when I play on 1080p I can barely pull 60fps unless there is nothing on my screen worth anything. Just standing in the city in Tiny Tina's wonderlands is about 40fps.

ChocAndGray · 5 Apr 2022 at 16:24

Cynphur v2 said:
Just standing in the city in Tiny Tina's wonderlands is about 40fps.

The city tends to tank the framerate, that's the game itself.

I noticed that just stood there with the people walking past that framerate was taking a massive hit compared to what I normally get.

There was also another part of the game that tanked the framerate, when you meet

Torgue

the first time.

Tetras · 6 Apr 2022 at 00:24

Cynphur v2 said:
Here is my results from the 4 tests I done.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yUP6rhOGz40IbO76p2elfFgSqAJkOLdmfmJr71g5gdY/edit

I noticed on each one of them that my GPU was going from 70-100% pretty consistantly while my CPU was sitting anywhere between 14-28% Mostly at 14% though.

Do you think this affects the performance? Even when I play on 1080p I can barely pull 60fps unless there is nothing on my screen worth anything. Just standing in the city in Tiny Tina's wonderlands is about 40fps.

From a google, your 1080p score seems to be reasonable.