Pc takes days to render 5 min clip

[Teddy amok77]

1. Hello everyone. I hope you are all well. Thank you in advance for taking the time to help someone else. Much appreciated.
   
   About 4 years ago when I started uni my wife told me I could pick a new PC as the old PC wasn't up to much. I studied multimedia development (video editing,after effects,3ds max etc). So, I picked one. Wife asked me is it def up 2 the job as be long time before I get another 1. I said yes.
   I had looked at the specs for the pc and it said it would be a good gameing pc (I thought if its good for gameing its good for video editing and rendering after effects comps- just found out I was wrong). When I was at uni I had major problems rendering a project video which was only 6 mins long with very few effects. I thought it was bad software on my home pc. Anyway, couple of years later I'm doin a project for a friends. Small project tbh. Another 6 minute video with some after effects 3rd party plugins. Machine was very laggy whole way through which cost me dearly in time.
   
   A few days ago I tried to render the video. In prem pro cc2014 and media encoder and with variable presets. The fastest my pc could render this video was around 30 hour mark. This is when I found out a game machine is not set up for rendering and video editing. I'm beyond p!$$ed off. I was gonna try freelancing for myself for a few years but doesn't look like it now. Although not hardware savvy I'm ok at what I do.
   
   My question is, as adobe mainly uses cpu for rendering these sorts of projects and this pc isn't up to it,at all,in the slightest (piece of sh!t hunk of junk),not remotely. Is there a cpu out there at an affordable price that would improve the performance of my pc when it comes to rendering after effects/prem pro projects as well as 3dsmax. I know I would somewhere soon down the line invest in a proper graphics card also but I'm close to just giving up completely with computers.
   I only have around £150-£200, providing my wife doesn't block it. Is it possible to grab a much more improved cpu compared to what I have for this price? I mean if I could improve an the graphics card as well that would be great.
   Obviously I had the perfect opportunity 4 years ago to get the correct machine and I messed up.
   I'm just weighing up if it is even worth me spending that money on a cpu. If there wasn't much of a performance I think I might just give it a miss.
   Ive been playing with settings etc for days and been googling if I could remedy this problem myself but unfortunately hardware is not my thing. I barely know the basics. Hence, thought I would ask the experts.
   Almost forgot, will post specs below.
   
   Any help at all is very welcome. Thank you again.
   Teddy

1. HP Pavilion 550-219na Desktop
   windows 10 64-bit
   
   Motherboard-
   Manufacturer HP
   Model 2B52 (P0)
   Chipset Vendor AMD
   Chipset Model ID1422
   Chipset Revision 00
   Southbridge Vendor AMD
   Southbridge Model A75
   Southbridge Revision 11
   
   RAM
   16.0 GB
   
   Graphics Card
   AMD Radeon R9 360
   Memory 4294965248 MB
   Memory type 2
   Driver version 21.19.512.12
   OpenGL
   Version 4.5.13469 Compatibility Profile Context 21.19.512.12
   Vendor ATI Technologies Inc.
   Renderer AMD Radeon R9 360
   GLU Version 1.2.2.0 Microsoft Corporation
   
   CPU
   AMD Processor
   Cores 1
   Threads 1
   Name AMD Processor
   Specification AMD A10-8750 Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
   Family F
   Extended Family 15
   Model 8
   Extended Model 38
   Stepping 1
   Instructions MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, AMD 64
   Virtualization Supported, Enabled
   Hyperthreading Not supported
   Fan Speed 70 RPM
   Caches
   L1 Data Cache Size 16 KBytes
   L1 Instructions Cache Size 96 KBytes
   L2 Unified Cache Size 2048 KBytes
   Core 0
   AMD Processor
   Cores 1
   Threads 1
   Name AMD Processor
   Specification AMD A10-8750 Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
   Family F
   Extended Family 15
   Model 8
   Extended Model 38
   Stepping 1
   Instructions MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, AMD 64
   Virtualization Supported, Enabled
   Hyperthreading Not supported
   Fan Speed 70 RPM
   Caches
   L1 Data Cache Size 16 KBytes
   L1 Instructions Cache Size 96 KBytes
   L2 Unified Cache Size 2048 KBytes
   Core 0
   AMD Processor
   Cores 1
   Threads 1
   Name AMD Processor
   Specification AMD A10-8750 Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
   Family F
   Extended Family 15
   Model 8
   Extended Model 38
   Stepping 1
   Instructions MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, AMD 64
   Virtualization Supported, Enabled
   Hyperthreading Not supported
   Fan Speed 70 RPM
   Caches
   L1 Data Cache Size 16 KBytes
   L1 Instructions Cache Size 96 KBytes
   L2 Unified Cache Size 2048 KBytes
   Core 0
   AMD Processor
   Cores 1
   Threads 1
   Name AMD Processor
   Specification AMD A10-8750 Radeon R7, 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G
   Family F
   Extended Family 15
   Model 8
   Extended Model 38
   Stepping 1
   Instructions MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, AMD 64
   Virtualization Supported, Enabled
   Hyperthreading Not supported
   Fan Speed 70 RPM
   Caches
   L1 Data Cache Size 16 KBytes
   L1 Instructions Cache Size 96 KBytes
   L2 Unified Cache Size 2048 KBytes
   Core 0
   
   Hard Drives
   SAMSUNG MZ7LN128HCHP-000H1
   WDC WD20EZRX-60D8PB0

 

[mattyfez]

That processor is quite weak for that sort of task, a current generation i5 is literally twice as good if not more.

For rendering you do really need a strong cpu, and that one isn't.

I'm not sure what upgrade options would be best as I'm not very familiar with amd cpu these days, but someone will be able to advise if there's a better chip you can drop in, a better cpu should see some good improvements.

 

[EsaT]

My question is, as adobe mainly uses cpu for rendering these sorts of projects and this pc isn't up to it,at all,in the slightest (piece of sh!t hunk of junk),not remotely. Is there a cpu out there at an affordable price that would improve the performance of my pc when it comes to rendering after effects/prem pro projects as well as 3dsmax.

That use isn't for budget PCs.
Video encoding and especially 3D rendering can use all the CPU horse power you can find.

And you can usually forget updating "supermarket-bombs", which are often as much gaming PC as rickshaw is car.
That CPU was overal at level of dual core Intels.
And there literally isn't anything sensible to update in that good only for wasting lots of power for little work Faildozer platform.
This page sums how "good" that architecture was:
http://techreport.com/review/24879/intel-core-i7-4770k-and-4950hq-haswell-processors-reviewed/7

 

[Danny75]

Unless someone has a better plan:

For that money you need to keep the 16GB DDR3 as RAM is very expensive now so moving to a DDR4 platform is not doable without more in the budget, and find a second-hand CPU and motherboard (DDR3 compatible). CPU is easy, motherboards for older sockets can be hard to source. Then it has to fit into the case, or you can transfer it into a new one.

For example, an i7-3960X from CEX UK for £90 (unless you can source one cheaper, although from CEX UK it comes with warranty) combined with an LGA2011 (DDR3) motherboard if you can find one, and a cooler (account £25 minimum for a cooler). So you'd have £85 for a motherboard. If it doesn't fit the case (unlikely to) then £65 for motherboard and £20 for new cheap case.

An alternative option is used i7-4770 (£135 from CEX) and a new H81 Micro-ATX motherboard for £40, and a cooler. Bit slower than the 3960X but comes with the benefit of a new motherboard with full warranty and Micro-ATX will probably fit the existing Pavilion case (barring any HP proprietary differences) as it contains a Micro-ATX motherboard already. It also doesn't have to be a H81 motherboard, but they are the cheapest for that particular socket (LGA1150).

Basically search for any i7-3XXX or i7-4XXX and see the cheapest options you can find, taking into account motherboard (price and availability - LGA2011 are hard to find, LGA1150 easy) and a cooler and/or case. Then consult about your findings here if you'd like, before purchasing.

 

[Danny75]

To add to the above, after checking the power supply in that HP Pavilion which is only 180W, I'd avoid the hex-core i7-3XXXs and stick to non-overclocked quad-core i7-4770/4771/4790. The system also has to power the R9 360 video card which can pull up to 75W. It will be tight power-wise but I think just about doable.

 

[breadturbo]

Just be careful, 70w of that 180w is on the 5v and 3.3v suppy, so you only have 110w to play with.

 

[varkanoid]

To be honest you are flogging a dead horse with that PC its no good for rendering period. The only bit of good news is you have 16gb RAM. Have you tried enabling GPU processing for the GPU you have? Not sure whether it would work. If not I`d be tempted to see if you can source a second hand GPU on this list below on the Spolier button and try that instead. However like has been said the PSU is not up to the job anyway.

Spoiler

Windows CUDA:

• NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M
• NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
• NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 775M
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN
• NVIDIA Quadro 2000
• NVIDIA Quadro 2000D
• NVIDIA Quadro 2000M
• NVIDIA Quadro 3000M
• NVIDIA Quadro 4000
• NVIDIA Quadro 4000M
• NVIDIA Quadro 5000
• NVIDIA Quadro 5000M
• NVIDIA Quadro 5010M
• NVIDIA Quadro 6000
• NVIDIA Quadro K1100M
• NVIDIA Quadro K2000
• NVIDIA Quadro K2100M
• NVIDIA Quadro K2200
• NVIDIA Quadro K2000M
• NVIDIA Quadro K3000M
• NVIDIA Quadro K4000
• NVIDIA Quadro K4000M
• NVIDIA Quadro K4100M
• NVIDIA Quadro K4200
• NVIDIA Quadro K5000
• NVIDIA Quadro K5000M
• NVIDIA Quadro K5200
• NVIDIA Quadro K6000
• NVIDIA Tesla C2050
• NVIDIA Tesla C2070
• NVIDIA Tesla C2075
• NVIDIA Tesla M2050
• NVIDIA Tesla M2070
• NVIDIA Tesla K10

Mac CUDA:

• GeForce GTX 285
• GeForce GTX 675MX
• GeForce GTX 680
• GeForce GTX 680MX
• GeForce GT 650M
• GeForce GT 750M
• GeForce GT 755M
• GeForce GTX 775M
• GeForce GTX 780M
• Quadro CX
• Quadro FX 4800
• Quadro 4000
• Quadro K5000

Windows OpenCL:

• AMD FirePro M2000
• AMD FirePro M4000
• AMD FirePro M5950
• AMD FirePro M6000
• AMD FirePro S7000
• AMD FirePro S9000
• AMD FirePro S10000
• AMD FirePro V3900
• AMD FirePro V4900
• AMD FirePro V5900
• AMD FirePro V7900
• AMD FirePro W2100
• AMD FirePro W4100
• AMD FirePro W5000
• AMD FirePro W5100
• AMD FirePro W7000
• AMD FirePro W7100
• AMD FirePro W8000
• AMD FirePro W8100
• AMD FirePro W9000
• AMD FirePro W9100
• AMD FirePro W4170W FireGL V
• AMD FirePro M5100 FireGL V
• AMD FirePro M6100 FireGL V
• AMD A10-7800 APU
• AMD Radeon HD 6650M
• AMD Radeon HD 6730M
• AMD Radeon HD 6750
• AMD Radeon HD 6750M
• AMD Radeon HD 6770
• AMD Radeon HD 6770M
• AMD Radeon HD 6950
• AMD Radeon HD 6970
• AMD Radeon HD 7480D
• AMD Radeon HD 7510M
• AMD Radeon HD 7530M
• AMD Radeon HD 7540D
• AMD Radeon HD 7550M
• AMD Radeon HD 7560D
• AMD Radeon HD 7570
• AMD Radeon HD 7570M
• AMD Radeon HD 7590M
• AMD Radeon HD 7610M
• AMD Radeon HD 7630M
• AMD Radeon HD 7650M
• AMD Radeon HD 7660D
• AMD Radeon HD 7670
• AMD Radeon HD 7670M
• AMD Radeon HD 7690M
• AMD Radeon HD 7730M
• AMD Radeon HD 7750
• AMD Radeon HD 7750M
• AMD Radeon HD 7770
• AMD Radeon HD 7770M
• AMD Radeon HD 7850
• AMD Radeon HD 7850M
• AMD Radeon HD 7870
• AMD Radeon HD 7870
• AMD Radeon HD 7870M
• AMD Radeon HD 7950
• AMD Radeon HD 7970
• AMD Radeon HD 7970M
• AMD Radeon HD 8470
• AMD Radeon HD 8550M
• AMD Radeon HD 8570
• AMD Radeon HD 8570M
• AMD Radeon HD 8670
• AMD Radeon HD 8670M
• AMD Radeon HD 8690M
• AMD Radeon HD 8730M
• AMD Radeon HD 8740
• AMD Radeon HD 8750M
• AMD Radeon HD 8760
• AMD Radeon HD 8770M
• AMD Radeon HD 8790M
• AMD Radeon HD 8870
• AMD Radeon HD 8950
• AMD Radeon HD 8970
• AMD Radeon R7 265
• AMD Radeon R7 APU
• AMD Radeon R7260X
• AMD Radeon R7M260
• AMD Radeon R9 280
• AMD Radeon R9 280
• AMD Radeon R9 280X
• AMD Radeon R9 285
• AMD Radeon R9 290
• AMD Radeon R9 290X
• AMD Radeon R9 295X2
• Intel Iris Graphics 5100
• Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200

Mac OpenCL:

• ATI Radeon HD 6750M
• ATI Radeon HD 6770M
• AMD FirePro D300
• AMD FirePro D500
• AMD FirePro D700
• AMD Radeon HD 7950
• GeForce GT 650M
• GeForce GT 750M
• GeForce GT 755M
• GeForce GTX 675MX
• GeForce GTX 680
• GeForce GTX 680MX
• GeForce GTX 775M
• GeForce GTX 780M
• Quadro K5000
• Intel Iris Graphics 5100
• Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200

 

[Teddy amok77]

Thank u very much guys. Wasnt expecting so many responses. Very kind. A lot for me to consider as most of it above my head.
Gonna have a look around and see what i can source.
Thanks for taking the time to help.

 

[EsaT]

Just be careful, 70w of that 180w is on the 5v and 3.3v suppy, so you only have 110w to play with.

= Forget ever upgrading that POS.

The only bit of good news is you have 16gb RAM.

HP must have found some slower RAM at really good price...
These supermarket-bombs used to often lack in RAM.
Though with rising DRAM prices they're likely to return to it.

 

[breadturbo]

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04783128

^^ that's the motherboard, think VRM temps could have anything to do with it?

 

[Teddy amok77]

I managed to find a temp work around. From After Effects I rendered the composition out as a png sequence. I then loaded that sequence into Premiere Pro and rendered it as i normally would.
With the exception of having to quickly re-add the audio back into Premiere Pro the result seems acceptable to me without any quality degredation along the way.
Dont fully comprehend why the hunk of junk has little problems rendering the composition this way but will do for now although obv its time consuming having to render out a second time.
Didnt realise how expensive machines could be when it comes to being set up to handle complicated projects and then rendering. As there doesnt seem to be any lottery win in the pipeline for me I can say that my pondering which which area in 3d design i should specialise in is now irrelivant and dead. I was even considering dropping the idea of 3d design and just concentrating on digital compositing near finished projects.
Although I have spent a lot of years in college/uni and a lot of money on eventually graduating I fear that by not paying attention to the hardware side of things or how the software actually utilises the machine my knowlege has went way beyond the scope of my machine.
I think its time for me to bow out and finally say a big fu@! Off to the world of computers and multimedia development. I need a new career path.

 

[Kei]

You could try out davinci resolve. I've found it to be substantially faster at rendering vs both opencl/cuda accelerated premiere pro cc and avid. Without gpu acceleration in premiere, even my 12 core 24 thread ryzen 1920x is quite slow rendering. I have CS6 at home and having dumped my GTX 780 for an RX Vega 56, no longer have gpu acceleration as CS6 has no support for opencl on windows.

Alternatively, there used to be a pair of files that existed in the main directory of premiere for supported cuda cards and opencl cards and you could use the gpu sniffer utility to get the exact device name and add it so that the mercury render engine could make use of gpu acceleration.

Also note that the type of file you are encoding to can have a substantial effect on the render time. H.264 and avid DNx formats tend to be among the quickest to render. MPEG 2 related formats like sony xdcam tend to be on the slower side of things

 

[Biz.Kid09]

I managed to find a temp work around. From After Effects I rendered the composition out as a png sequence. I then loaded that sequence into Premiere Pro and rendered it as i normally would.
With the exception of having to quickly re-add the audio back into Premiere Pro the result seems acceptable to me without any quality degredation along the way.
Dont fully comprehend why the hunk of junk has little problems rendering the composition this way but will do for now although obv its time consuming having to render out a second time.
Didnt realise how expensive machines could be when it comes to being set up to handle complicated projects and then rendering. As there doesnt seem to be any lottery win in the pipeline for me I can say that my pondering which which area in 3d design i should specialise in is now irrelivant and dead. I was even considering dropping the idea of 3d design and just concentrating on digital compositing near finished projects.
Although I have spent a lot of years in college/uni and a lot of money on eventually graduating I fear that by not paying attention to the hardware side of things or how the software actually utilises the machine my knowlege has went way beyond the scope of my machine.
I think its time for me to bow out and finally say a big fu@! Off to the world of computers and multimedia development. I need a new career path.

Many developers/video editors/gamers and so forth don't know what is or isn't in their PC. The money is in your skill with the software not with what PC you have at home.

Just because you can't do this in your spare time/freelancing, why does that mean you have to change your career path? Do you have a job at the minute?

I don't know what the job market is like for your skills but I am sure you can get into the industry some how, work hard and save money and then buy an awesome PC (Please come back here before you spend anything!) and then you can continue learning, practicing and maybe go off on your own once you have the hardware.

 

[GWANGY]

You could try for an entry level position in video-editing and get both experience and money that way. Another point is that Im sure gfx design places regularly upgrade their hardware and would sell their S/H machine to employess at a good price..win win situation

 

[GinG]

Seems a shame to throw away your skill/time taken to learn just over a poor choice of hardware.

No way you can raise some more funds? You could potentially sell the current price for around £200 - £300..add in the £200 your up to £500 already...even sticking some on a small credit card seems better investment to me rather than just jack it in all together!

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £158.99
• 1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £86.99
• 1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £149.99
• 1 x Bitfenix Nova Midi Tower Case - Black= £26.99
• 1 x Kolink KL-500 500W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply= £35.99
• 1 x Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (ST2000DM006)= £59.99
• 1 x Kingston 120GB SSDNow UV400 Drive SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" (7mm height) Solid State Hard Drive - (SUV400S37/1= £53.99

Total: £585.23 (includes shipping: £12.30)
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Just need to add your existing GFX card and get less for your current rig, or look out for a second hand card.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The A10 8750 came out in 2015,so the OP has a system which is around two years old. The system has a Samsung 128GB OEM SSD and a 2TB low power 7200RPM drive already.

The cheapest way forward to be to get a Core i7 4770,a new motherboard and a new PSU.

I would get the Core i7 4770 for £135 off CEX,add another £10 to £15 for a cooler,then an ASUS B85M-G for around £60,and a Corsair CX450(not the M version) for just over £40.

Then I would sell off your existing CPU and motherboard. The A10 8750 was the second generation of the AMD Kaveri APU which was branded as the A10 7860K it appears for DIY sales which also added an unlocked multiplier:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-8750.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-7860K.html