PFA Player & Young Player of the Year 2011

[Tom84]

Just did this over on another forum as the votes are to be done within the next couple of weeks. I'm guessing that it'll be between the following;

PFA Player of the Year

Fabregas
Nasri
Tevez
Gerrard (as he's always in there)
Bale
Van Der Vaart

PFA Young Player of the Year

Fabregas
Nasri
Wilshire
Bale
Hart
Carroll

Personally I think United have plenty of shouts in both categories with Berbatov, Vidic, Nani and Rafael but with this common consensus that we haven't played well in any games this season I can see all of those being overlooked

I reckon Fabregas will get the main prize with Bale getting the Young Player award

 

[Tom84]

Tevez for Player of the year as he has been a one man army this year and scored some great goals. I think Nasri for the young player of the year as he has been fantastic and scored some top goals.

Impartiality at it's best I see

 

[Tom84]

Vidic should definitely be in there, and Nani has possibly been one of the best players in 2011 so his omission is baffling, certainly done a **** load more than Bale, let alone Gerrard.

I would say Rafael has done more than Wilshere as well.

Read my post again mate, that list is by no means official and I stated why I doubt any United players will get the recognition they deserve

 

[Tom84]

Read something interesting regarding Berbatov's goals this season, haven't checked to see if it's quite right though. Berbatov has scored 14 league goals in 20 league appearances, but he's only actually scored in 5 games

Newcastle 1
West Ham 1
Everton 1
Liverpool 3
Blackburn 5
Sunderland 2
Birmingham (away) 1
Birmingham (home) 3

So he's scored in 8 league games this season (and against Chelsea in the CS)

 

[Tom84]

Just checked Tevez's goal scoring stats this season also

Liverpool 2 (1 pen)
Wigan 1
Chelsea 1
Newcastle 1 (pen)
Blackpool 2
Fulham 2
Bolton 1
Newcastle 2
Wolves 2

So while Berbatov has only scored in 8 league games this season Tevez the next highest goal scorer in the league has only scored in 9 (Tevez also scored in 2 FA Cup ties against Leicester)

Just FYI Andy Carroll the third highest goal scorer this season (11) has also scored in 9 league games

Aston Villa 3
Wolves 1
West Ham 1
Arsenal 1
Blackburn 1
Bolton 1
Chelsea 1
Liverpool 1
Man City 1

 

[Tom84]

edit2: Just read it again, I got it slightly wrong; in his last 20 games he's scored 14 goals and they all came in 5 games. Again, I've not checked it though.

That could be true given Berbatov has only scored in the league and not in the Champions League of which he has played a fair amount of the games. Also following the hat-trick against Liverpool he went 11 games IIRC without scoring before the Blackburn game - it's that stat that probably is counting against him (prior to this weekend at least)

 

[Tom84]

People are saying Bale and VDV for PFA player of the year, but Modric has been Spurs best player so far this season. But he wont get player of the year because most of what he does goes largely unnoticed.

I highly doubt either will win the main one tbh, Bale will get Young Player no questions asked, VDV probably wont get anything other than maybe being widely acknowledged as the signing of the season

I dont watch enough of Spurs to agree with you about Modric but out of the 3 he's the one I'd most want at United

 

[Tom84]

When Nasri was playing without Fabregas he was incredible, problem is when he's shifted out wide and everything goes thru Fab he seems rather wasted

Good thing for Nasri then that he wont have that problem next season

 

[Tom84]

Bale/Rafael are the media darlings so probably both have the best shot at young player of the year.

He is?

I cant believe I've forgotten all about Hernandez, might not play week in week out but has scored 9 goals for us this season which is a great return. Surely should be considered at least for the Young Player award?

 

[Tom84]

manu need a left winger, nani and valencia cover right, giggs cant go for ever.

they also need 2 center mids which would be modric and VDV

When Valencia is back Nani will be shifted to the left. A centre midfield of Modric and VDV would get murdered defensively

 

[Tom84]

It's usually down to how the players play in Jan-March so it's a little early to be making predictions!

Actually it's not (well it's the end of Jan at the moment), votes are made next month

 

[Tom84]

As for the "Player of the Year" anyone suggesting Berbatov must be mad - yes he's top scorer but plays so much in fits and starts, and is anonymous far too regularly to be considered.

Had this argument already

Berbatov - 19 league goals scoring in 9 games
Tevez - 14 league goals scoring in 9 games

Berbatov has scored in just as many games as any of the other leading goal scorers, he's just scored more

 

[Tom84]

Out of curiousity does anybody know how many goals Berbatov has got vs the teams in the top half. Doesn't mean much but it's quite interesting to see what type of games certain players score in.

As the top half currently stands

6th Sunderland x2
7th Blackburn x5
8th Newcastle x1

and then the rest of his goals

11th Liverpool x3
12th Blackpool x2
14th Everton x1
17th Birmingham x4
20th West Ham x1

So he's scored against 3 teams in the top half and against 5 in the bottom half

 

[Tom84]

As said, Berbatov may be top scorer, but that's irrelevent if he goes missing for huge portions of games. As a consequence, he shouldn't be considered as POTY.

We're top of the league, unbeaten and I've just proven that he's scored in just as many games as the second highest scorer Tevez and if you really want the third highest scorer Carroll. If Berbatov shouldn't be considered then neither should Tevez or any other striker in the league

 

[Tom84]

Clueless.

It's about the best player, the player who influences games consistently the most, beit a striker, midfielder, defender or 'keeper.

Berbatov hasn't done that this season.

Prawn sandwich?

He's scored more than anyone else in the league - check
He plays for a team that has more points than any other team in the league - check
He plays for a team that's yet to be beat - check

I'd say factor those 3 things in and it proves his been very influencial

Ironic that I'm the clueless one

 

[Tom84]

Rafael isn't worth mentioning.

Care to elaborate more? Genuinely interested