Philips 20" 200W6CS Widescreen TFT LCD

[Raymond Lin]

Anyone seen one of these in action?

The spec looks fab, and only £340 inc VAT on the net.

But does anyone know what panel it uses and if OCUK going to stock it?

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LCD panel type 1680 x 1050 pixels, Anti glare polariser, RGB vertical stripe
Panel size 20.1" / 51 cm
Effective viewing area 433.4 x 270.9 mm
Pixel Pitch 0.258 x 0.258 mm
Brightness (nits) 300 nit
Contrast ratio (typical) 800:1
Display colours 16.7 M
Viewing angle - C/R > 10
Viewing Angle (Horizontal) 176 degree
Viewing angle (Vertical) 176 degree
Response time (typical) Eight (black to black) ms
White Chromaticity, 6500K x = 0.313 / y = 0.329
White Chromaticity, 9300K x = 0.283 / y = 0.297
Maximum resolution 1680 x 1050 @ 75Hz
Recommended resolution 1680 x 1050 @ 60Hz
Factory preset modes 15 modes
User definable modes 39 modes
Video dot rate 165 MHz
Horizontal scanning frequency 30 - 93 KHz
Vertical scanning frequency 56 - 85 Hz
sRGB Yes
Aspect ratio 16:10
Connectivity
Signal input Analogue (VGA), DVI-D, PC audio in
Audio output Stereo Audio (3.5 mm jack) 1x
USB USB 2.0
Video sync input signal Composite Sync, Separate sync, Sync on green
Convenience
Built-in audio 2W RMS x 2 stereo speakers
Convenience Enhancements On screen display, SmartManage enabled
Monitor controls Auto, Brightness control, Left / right, Menu (OK), Power on / off, Up / down, Volume control, Input, Size
OSD languages English, French, German, Italian, Simplified Chinese, Spanish
Other Convenience Kensington lock compatible
Plug & Play compatibility DDC/CI, sRGB, Windows 98/ME/2000/XP
Regulatory approvals CE Mark, Energy Star, FCC-B, UL, CSA, SEMKO, TCO '03, TÜV/GS, TÜV Ergo
Swivel +/- 125°
Tilt -5° to 20°
VESA Mount 100 x 100 mm
Dimensions
Depth (with base) 235mm
Height (with base) 423.5mm
Width (with base) 478mm
Height Adjustment range 45mm
MTBF 50,000 hrs
Relative humidity 20% - 80%
Temperature range (Operation) 5° C to 35° C
Temperature range (Storage) -20°C to 60° C
Weight 7.6 kg

 

[Raymond Lin]

If only that review tells us what panel it uses.

 

[Raymond Lin]

wooooh, might just order this, the viewsonic uses the same panel too, the response time i got that from is actually on the phillips pdf spec sheet, so I don't know which is correct.

From Phillip's home page here.

http://www.consumer.philips.com/con...&proxybuster=3VZNF2J1EGGPPJ0RMRESHP3HKFSEKI5P

 

[Raymond Lin]

Phillips is going to be £100 cheaper than the Viewsonic thats for sure, and it doesn't look like suffers from the blacklight bleeds from the 9 user reviews i found. For the price it seems like a bargain.

 

[Raymond Lin]

not really, i watches movie more, and I have a 17" TFT TN panel that does 8ms so I could play games on that.

I do want to wait and see what Dell offers with the new 2007 thou.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Now if Phillips changed the panel, the question is how do you make sure you get the P-MVA panel?

and sorry to be a pain, but will OCUK stock this monitor? It certainly look like it'll sell if the belinea is anything to go by.

 

[Raymond Lin]

There is a place on the net that list the new panel as the spec they are selling, where others list the old one. Whether they are actually selling the new panel, only someone who buy it will know and it is a risk.

 

[Raymond Lin]

ys, but remember they might well be going on the spec from the Philips site, might not actually mean they have the right version in stock. Be careful, but hopefully Philips have done the smart thing and made it obvious on the box or something which version it is. Will let you know when i get more clarification on the 8ms edition

Thanks Baddass, would be perfect if Gibbo can source them and sell it here, £340 is the cheapest 20" WS TFT i've seen for TFT this size in its class. And for a P-MVA panel too, may I dare suggest that these will sell better than the Belinea. Considering Phillips is a bigger brand name, and I know which one i would be getting if it comes down to it.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Me too

 

[Raymond Lin]

OK I got a reply from philips and the answer is that both models are exactly the same , they use the same SIPS panel and the correct specs are 16ms and 600:1 (ie the 05 version specs are correct). The only difference between the two versions is that the 00 is intended for continental Europe and the 05 for the UK (so they come with a different power cable!).

Now I am really confused, if that is the case then why is it their spec on their site suggest otherwise?

 

[Raymond Lin]

The guy you spoke to from Phillips wasn't some sales guy was he? I would want to double confirm it from one of the Tech guy instead.

 

[Raymond Lin]

This has turned into some mini investigation ! I really hope that it is the P-MVA Panel !!!!!!!

 

[Raymond Lin]

I am more incline to believe the spec sheet than the guy on the phone, at least the spec sheet would (should) be written from information from the design/tech department. The guy on the phone is just reading off a computer.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Thanks for the update Gibbo, fingers crossed for the 8ms version (if the guy you speak to really know what he's talking about that is).

I can't wait ! Keep us posted

 

[Raymond Lin]

So now it's in stock, can OCUK confirm which panel it uses?

 

[Raymond Lin]

I am so close in ordering, I got the next 2 days off so i can be here to receive it !

 

[Raymond Lin]

Is it just me but the NEC (not yet release) looks a lot like the Acer (cheaper) screen? It seem to me that the NEC is just another rebadge acer.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Why are all these new screens coming out with IPS panels????

 

[Raymond Lin]

They are not bad, not bad at all, I just prefer a P-MVA panel since it it would be best for movies, and it is what i really want the screen for.

 

[Raymond Lin]

From the sticky

IPS (In Plane Switching) was introduced to try and improve on some of these drawbacks. It was developed by Hitachi and was dubbed “super TFT”. They improved on viewing angles up to about 170H. This was done by controlling liquid crystal alignment slightly differently, but unfortunately, can affect response rate of the pixels. As such they are not as good for gaming as TN panels. They didn’t make any improvements on black reproduction really either, but dead pixels only show as black, not bright colours. IPS panels were later developed into Super-IPS (S-IPS) panels and production costs were lowered which has meant they have become more widely used. S-IPS offer perhaps the most accurate colour reproduction available in the TFT panel market, but response times and black levels remain inferior to those of MVA/PVA technology.

The third type is VA (Vertical Alignment) panels. The early VA panels have been scrapped due to poor viewing angles, and in their place came the MVA and PVA panels. These offer superior colour reproduction compared with TN film, but not quite as good as IPS / S-IPS. They do however have the advantage of being able to show good black levels and viewing angles are also very good . This is done by having all the colour elements of the panel split into cells or zones. These are formed by ridges on an internal surface of filters. The purpose of this design is to enable liquid crystals to move in opposite direction to their neighbours. It allows the observer to see the same shade of color irrespective of a viewing angle. There have been improvements to the MVA (Multidomain VA) and PVA (Patterned VA) technologies which has given birth to the Premium-MVA (P-MVA) and Super-PVA (S-PVA) technologies. More info on all of these can be found here.

I suppose the IPS panel should be great for movies since it has excellent colour reproduction, for some reason I've set my mind on a P-MVA panel because it's a newer techonlogy or something.