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Anyone else watching this on channel four?

It's all about call centres and the thankless task the agents employed there have. It's also featuring foreign call centres which if anyone knows me knows this is a personal pet hate of mine !

I honestly cant believe they are training up foreign call centre staff by watching dvd's of The Full monty :eek:

Am wondering whats everyone else's opinion of this?
 
I'm glad someone else hates the foreign call centres.

I once called BT Broadband head office - on a phone number that was restricted (due to being charged twice for my internet in one month) and told them I was going to cancel my contract unless they sent me to a call centre here. (even after calling their helpdesk number 16 times and eventually getting through to 4 Indian based numpties who couldn't understand my username even with me spelling it out letter by letter & wasting about 3 hours of my life trying to resolve the issue.)
 
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That guy from First direct:
"it's not advertising, we are just telling customers about what products we are offering"

Yeh mate, it is advertising, especially if you give staff performance targets.

:rolleyes:
 
20 second response time? Wish Ocuk could get the same :p


I didn't start this thread to point out or badmouth any particular company least of all OCUK, my dealings with them so far have been fantastic but thats by the by.

My point was what a farce these companies are - they're taking South African call centre operatives out to buy them new office clothes so they feel good which will hopefully present itself in said operators voice when they're talking to the customer :eek:

Mean while back in blighty the team leader is discussing each individuals preformance in front of their entire team at work "your down two overdrafts, your up one loan" etc etc - now thats motovational isn't it ! :p
 
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The way I look at it, call centers for UK products and services should be in the UK. Not Manilla and deffo not India.

It's a disgrace the way some of these places work.
 
They gave them a 1000 rand voucher to get some new clothes.

1,000.00 RAND

=

61.6306 GBP

Are they just being incredibly stingy or does 1000 rand buy them a full suit etc?
 
They gave them a 1000 rand voucher to get some new clothes.

1,000.00 RAND

=

61.6306 GBP

Are they just being incredibly stingy or does 1000 rand buy them a full suit etc?

You have to bear in mind the cost of living is so much cheaper out there - but then so is the cost of labour. Hence companies outsourcing to foreign call centres - it's cheap slave labour imo !

You pay peanuts. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 
Damn, I missed it. I'll have to watch it on 4OD.

I worked in a tech support call centre for them purple shirted PC people, and I have to say it is the most soul destroying work I have ever done. The last thing you need is some mouthy git on the other end, as personally, the more mouthy they were, the less inclined I was to help. The same applied to everyone else I worked with :) Take that advice as you will.
 
I worked in a call centre for Telewest Broadband (as it was then). Sales support; taking calls from sales reps with massive egos and even bigger mouths.

I lasted 9 months, then chucked it. "Soul destroying" does not even begin to come close.

Some of my colleagues had been there for 6 years and more. :confused:
 
Excellent programme. By moving call centres to South Africa they're making exactly the same mistakes they did when they moved them to India. I don't care if a focus group gave a higher preference rating to a South African accent over an Indian one it just won't work, they aren't British - they can't possibly understand Britain. The training they were given was laughable, based entirely on tourist information and either inaccurate or lazy stereotypes (Geordies like to drink a lot for example). I think I saw that woman trainer training Indians on TV a few years ago and we all know how that turned out.

The First Direct team leader just seemed to me to be a yorkshire version of Bill Lumbergh (for anyone whose seen Office Space). Sleazy and manipulative - the kind of man who will walk all over his team to increase his own personal stock. What's more, most of his team seemed to know this already - so not as clever as he thinks he is either.

The only good guy on the programme was the guy in charge of the Powergen call centre. He's exactly right when he said that customer service doesn't need to be the way it is, but the people who set it up just go for cheap and easy rather than thinking about how best to provide a service for our customers. The Essex call centre actually seemed to work quite well - I seriously might switch to Powergen.
 
The First Direct team leader just seemed to me to be a yorkshire version of Bill Lumbergh (for anyone whose seen Office Space). Sleazy and manipulative - the kind of man who will walk all over his team to increase his own personal stock. What's more, most of his team seemed to know this already - so not as clever as he thinks he is either.

From my experience so far i'd say thats a pretty good estimate of your average call centre team leader !

The only good guy on the programme was the guy in charge of the Powergen call centre. He's exactly right when he said that customer service doesn't need to be the way it is, but the people who set it up just go for cheap and easy rather than thinking about how best to provide a service for our customers. The Essex call centre actually seemed to work quite well - I seriously might switch to Powergen.

He did come across as the good guy in this particular programme and am sure you'd be quite right in your assumption of what you've seen, whether he can make a difference or not with his company remains to be seen !
 
So much of the program was obviously not true. Like the HELP! signs, i have a feeling that most of the 'help' which is suppost to be from a team leader/supervisor actually comes from the bloke sitting next to them.

Pay peanuts get monkeys.
 
So much of the program was obviously not true. Like the HELP! signs, i have a feeling that most of the 'help' which is suppost to be from a team leader/supervisor actually comes from the bloke sitting next to them.

Pay peanuts get monkeys.

You say that, but we had a similar system at work. Ok it wasn't signs, but it did involve muting the call and shouting for your TL to come over :)
 
I thought that programme could have been a lot better :(

BB x

agreed

ive worked in customer service call centres for 3 years, and on the phones outside of call centres for another 2 years on top so ive got a fair idea of what its like to work in these places

They never actually touched on the real reason customers get so frustrated. The billing system. Why does it take so many phone calls to stop you being billed twice ? because the customer records system is so poor. They never explained anything, just some interview with the powergen bloke explaining why he got rid of the call centres in india and why they're trying to change things

Ive worked with the british gas CRM and its a hatefull hatefull thing. Its no wonder customers problems never get solved

imho they spent far too long on the new recruits in south africa. People will dislike them just as much as the people in india. People want a UK based person on the phone. Heck, they dont even like americans and they speak perfect english (alledgedly :D)

The first direct bit was very interesting though. But again, they missed a big point that you could only pick up on if you've worked there. The Trainer was going on about "above the line words" etc.. and was very serious about this. Trainers always are very serious, and they allways talk **** that will never get used in the real world. You can tell when the teamleader had a game with his team about the first one to use the words absolutely stupendous (or something) gets a creme egg. He sarcastically commented about it being "very above the line".

Teamleaders are very pragmatic people, and they realise this stuff is all very well and good in a training room, but customers just dont want to be talked to like that. Look at the reaction that american sounding overly enthusiastic woman got, everybody was put off by her.


So much of the program was obviously not true. Like the HELP! signs, i have a feeling that most of the 'help' which is suppost to be from a team leader/supervisor actually comes from the bloke sitting next to them.

Pay peanuts get monkeys.

No they come from what are called "floor walkers" they're basically just normal customer service people, probably experienced, but no more empowered than the person they just spoke to. It only usually gets escalated to a teamleader when things hit the fan, like the woman said, she'd already spoken to 3 people already. You can bet the first was original person who answered the call, the 2nd was probably his mate next to him, and the 3rd was the floor walker.

And yes, people do put them onto people beside them who pretend to be the manager you've just asked for. You're supposed to put your hand up for help like that, and quite often do, but sometimes the customer is being unrealistic or just plain lieing, and doesnt warrant a proper escalation.
 
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