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I'll stick my neck out and guess that the GTX580 will be the fastest single-GPU card, especially on synthetic benchmarks. However low stock levels will prevent it from 'winning' in terms of overall sales.
 
Couldn't find reliable specs for the 6970 vs 6870 so I will say IF the 6970 is basically two 6870's, then the 6970 will best 580 on average over multiple titles.

Will probably end up wrong of course lol.
 
Rroff said:
On the highest end card? price is something you worry about with a mid-range card.
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The thing is, whilst the 580 is Nvidia's highest end card, the 6970 isn't AMD's so I can't see them being priced that similar, not to mention that whilst this is probably AMD's biggest chip for a long time, it's still going to be a lot smaller than Fermi.
 
mattjd said:
If the 6970 was faster than the 580 why would they price it 100 cheaper than a 580? They could make more money if they pushed the price up and they can because it would be faster than the 580 (But thats if its faster than the 580).

Im expecting btoh cards to be similiar in raw grunt maybe ~5% off for either one but the 580 will be better at Tesselation/DX11 titles and the performance with 3D will be much much better on with the 580 and 3D is the future in gaming so I think the 580 will be the better card.
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This is the problem people completely fail to grasp and the ENTIRE REASON AMD announced their new strategy of cheaper cores and pricing.

The same card might make an extra £100 profit at £400 over £300, but theres exponentially more people who are willing to buy at £300 than £400.

Call it hundred profit at £300, and £200 profit at £400, you'd only "need" to sell twice the amount of cards at £300 to get the same profit. In real life, you could a million £300 cards and only 100k if they were £400.

The cheaper you price your product, the more of your product you can sell.

Also the cheaper you make a card the more often people are happy to upgrade. A lot of people would buy a £500 card and upgrade every 3 years, but at £250 they'd upgrade each and every year.


AMD don't price on performance, remember the 280gtx launched at $650, it was WELL over £400 here on launch, the 4870 was at worst 20% behind it, so they could have launched at £320, instead they launched at £180 or so.

When the 5870 launched at £300, the 285gtx was selling for £300 and was 40% slower.

AMD's strategy is making a healthy profit but not extortionate because it encourages more sales.
 
mattjd said:
If the 6970 was faster than the 580 why would they price it 100 cheaper than a 580? They could make more money if they pushed the price up and they can because it would be faster than the 580 (But thats if its faster than the 580).
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It doesn't quite work like that. The GTX480 is faster than a 5870, but I'm sure you can guess which one sold the best, right? Lower priced cards sell better, the top top end sells much worse than the mid-range simply because the vast majority of people are more willing to spend <£150 than >£300
 
Welcome back Kylew. :)

My bets are on it being evens between a 580 and 6970. It worries me that with the 580 launch just days away AMD have still released no concrete specs or performance figures to dampen the 580 launch.
 
kylew said:
It doesn't quite work like that. The GTX480 is faster than a 5870, but I'm sure you can guess which one sold the best, right? Lower priced cards sell better, the top top end sells much worse than the mid-range simply because the vast majority of people are more willing to spend <£150 than >£300
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Ok I get it now. But my vote is still on the 580 because of 3D.
 
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