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Place your bets, Red or Green

I'm reckoning £275 for the 6950 £350 for the 6970 £430+ for the gtx580.

performance wise i reckon the 6850 will be just about on par, maybe a little behind the gtx480 and the 6970 will be 10-15% faster than the gtx480 with the gtx 580 being 20-25% faster than the GTX480. so the 6870 i think will be somewhere around 5-10% slower than the gtx 580.

of course what would be really funny would be if the new cayman chips turn out to be huge, hot and in short supply (not that i can see that happening) so they are larger hotter and more power hungry and of course louder than the Nvidia cards.
now its not going to happen like that..... but it would be lovely to hear the way this forum on the whole would twist itself inside out to justify these things.
 
6970? like a 6870 but bigger, let's hope AMD put much more effort in to its performance capabilities.
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RavenXXX2 said:
6970? like a 6870 but bigger, let's hope AMD put much more effort in to its performance capabilities
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Are you actually trying to derail this thread? The 6870 was never meant to be a top performing card, its their mainstream product, as such it performs very well for its market sector
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Lol we're talking about the card design here, calm down. :o
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Actually the OP is asking about card performance not design, and your earlier quote which I quoted was talking about performance, hence my reply was
I'm perfectly calm, I dont care what wins, I have no brand loyalty to ATI/AMD or NVidia, neither do I feel the need to back up/justify my purchases with stupid comments I often see you coming out with, as above, you just seem to be trying to start a flame war, again
 
I'm a bit surprised that its got ATI stamped on the back on the top one or is that the 5870 image for reference.
 
nvidia will do anything to beat AMD with fastest single card. eg 480 needed a nuclear power station to run with the water cooling included.*

But I expect at the end of 2010 it would be 6970 with a 585(or even 590)** In feb. Which be a 580 with the best chips overclocked enough to do it.

* Joke please
** Totally made up
 
Rroff said:
Its the highest single core GPU tho (which still counts atm).
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I see what you mean but ATI have chosen thier root (very topend = Multi-gpu) where as Nvidia hasn't/ can't. I'm pretty sure if they could make a dual 480/580 they would just as they have for previous gens. I really wish they would so we would have a similar line up on each side making it easier to compare like for like i.e. 580GX2 v 6990, 580 v 6970 etc and would have much less bickering!!!
 
well there may be a bit of ATI bias talking here but:

I heard a rumour the full cayman will have 2400 shaders. Ignoring clock speeds/die improvements thats a 50% increase in performance over a 5870. The 580 has 512 shaders, or 15% more than the 480 (which in itself imo was about 10-15% faster than the 5870, so for the sake of my rubbish maths we'll call it 30-35% over the 5870). SO that leaves ~15% performance to make up with clockspeeds and die improvements. I suspect the 580 will be more improved per shader over the 480 than the 6970/5870, but i cant see it being 20%+ more efficient (once caymans shader improvements are factored in).

Power consumption/Heat im expecting to be roughly the same...

So if i haven't made myself clear, my moneys on ATI for this round (sorry if my reasoning sounds like a load of BS. It purely speculation from me atm)
 
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If fermi had come out with the target spec nvidia wanted it would not really have needed a dual card as it would not have been much slower than a 5970. Amd said ages ago making small chips with less power was gonna be there strategy as they could make up for the less power by doubling up on a dual card. The nv way seems to be building the biggest bad ass single chip they can but with gtx480 they ran into problems so it came in a good bit slower than they expected. If this had not happened nv would have had a seriously fast chip competing well with a 5970.

If amd come in with 2400 shaders then its not even going to be a competition.
 
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