Planet X is back again

[Blackjack Davy]

I never knew the other planets were known in Roman numerals
I thought the X was for <insert name here>

It used to be both until they had the nerve to demote Pluto from being the ninth planet and ruined the simile.

 

[Rroff]

It's interesting, but nothing more.. The public don't need 'prepping'

I think people are misunderstand what I was saying... I'm sure its all just coincidence that it has come along at once and that people working in completely different areas and on completely different problems have come up with discoveries that happen to fit with each other and I can't think of any reason why they would need to "prep" anyone but the order and timescale of it making headlines in the media has a bit of an orchestrated feel to it:

Firstly there were articles about how someone discovered an issue with our current models of the solar system while working on another problem.

Then a whole thing about ejected planets and the discovery of PSO J318.5-22

Which is then followed by several media outlets for no apparent reason dredging up stuff from 2011 about planets being ejected from the early solar system i.e. http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...a-5th-gas-giant-planet-from-solar-system.html

Then completely separately there is the announcement of how its discovered that the ejection from the inner solar system of a Neptune sized planet early on would fix the models of the solar system (from people working off their own discoveries not trying to fix the issue first mentioned).

And then the (potential) discovery of this planet that matches the requirements - discovered from observations of behaviour unrelated to actively trying to work the earlier problem - which if the thing about such a planet being needed to stabilise the early solar system is true then its discovery isn't surprising but the timing is a bit convenient (again probably just coincidence).

 

[SlyReaper]

I think people are misunderstand what I was saying... I'm sure its all just coincidence that it has come along at once and that people working in completely different areas and on completely different problems have come up with discoveries that happen to fit with each other and I can't think of any reason why they would need to "prep" anyone but the order and timescale of it making headlines in the media has a bit of an orchestrated feel to it:

Firstly there were articles about how someone discovered an issue with our current models of the solar system while working on another problem.

Then a whole thing about ejected planets and the discovery of PSO J318.5-22

Which is then followed by several media outlets for no apparent reason dredging up stuff from 2011 about planets being ejected from the early solar system i.e. http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...a-5th-gas-giant-planet-from-solar-system.html

Then completely separately there is the announcement of how its discovered that the ejection from the inner solar system of a Neptune sized planet early on would fix the models of the solar system (from people working off their own discoveries not trying to fix the issue first mentioned).

And then the (potential) discovery of this planet that matches the requirements - discovered from observations of behaviour unrelated to actively trying to work the earlier problem - which if the thing about such a planet being needed to stabilise the early solar system is true then its discovery isn't surprising but the timing is a bit convenient (again probably just coincidence).

It's easy to find patterns when you're looking for patterns. It's one of those things the human brain does, it takes lots of different things and tries to find patterns in them, and often produces false positives. It's why conspiracy theories exist in the first place.

 

[colzboppo]

We're not being "prepped", it's just scientists have been following the breadcrumbs on this potential planet for a while, piecing bits of the puzzle together to form an increasingly compelling case for it's existence.

My personal opinion is that if this planet does exist, instead of being an ancient remnant of some hypothesized gas giant planet ejected early in the solar system, just as likely it could be a recent addition (relatively recent eg. ma scale), a captured planet. Scientists are slowly losing their bias towards a uninformatarian approach to explaining the evolution of our solar system.

I don't believe it's going to fly in and destroy earth, but I do believe it may have a perturbing effect on the comets in the outer reaches of the solar system that could potentially cause cyclical cometary incursions to the inner solar system, which could be potentially very destructive.

If we do indeed have a dark planet shepherding comet's into the solar system every x years (even if it's a grand time scale such as every 30,000 years) it's imperative we find it's orbital location and prepare for such a scenario. We might be able to do something about it if we start considering these random acts of cosmic violence seemingly beyond our control, as a real and present threat to the human race.

 

[Rroff]

We're not being "prepped", it's just scientists have been following the breadcrumbs on this potential planet for a while, piecing bits of the puzzle together to form an increasingly compelling case for it's existence.

My personal opinion is that if this planet does exist, instead of being an ancient remnant of some hypothesized gas giant planet ejected early in the solar system, just as likely it could be a recent addition (relatively recent eg. ma scale), a captured planet. Scientists are slowly losing their bias towards a uninformatarian approach to explaining the evolution of our solar system.

I don't believe it's going to fly in and destroy earth, but I do believe it may have a perturbing effect on the comets in the outer reaches of the solar system that could potentially cause cyclical cometary incursions to the inner solar system, which could be potentially very destructive.

If we do indeed have a dark planet shepherding comet's into the solar system every x years (even if it's a grand time scale such as every 30,000 years) it's imperative we find it's orbital location and prepare for such a scenario. We might be able to do something about it if we start considering these random acts of cosmic violence seemingly beyond our control, as a real and present threat to the human race.

That is the thing though its not just bread crumbs but the way discoveries have been made in completely unrelated studies that neatly sit together rather conveniently - as I said I suspect its just coincidence but it has the appearance of something a little more planned.

It mainly orbits within a patch that sits between 2 major debris discs which aside from other considerations like the physics relevant to the heliosphere might also indicate that it has already cleared its orbit. Its a very real possibility that it could alternatively be a more recently captured planet however - especially as recent discoveries seem to indicate "rogue" planets are more common than originally thought.

 

[dpbadger]

So what is it?

 

[colzboppo]

It's a theoretical 9th planet, about 10 earth Mass's they think has been perturbing various outer planets orbits for a while now, recent observations of trans-neptunian objects orbits were then demonstrated by a computer simulation to show there orbital trajectories could be explained by this theoretical planets gravitation influence.

Interestingly, there was also another study which may or may not of passed peer review which observed unidentified transitions in front of alpha centauri star of an object which may also of been a distant orbiting planet, but this involves even more conjecture and creative interpretation.

So until we have solid proof; we just don't know!

 

[VoG]

So what is it?

 

[mmj_uk]

I wonder if there is life on this planet? Maybe there is a river on it's surface? Maybe a bridge crosses the river? Maybe something under the bridge ?

Annunaki.

Actually I recall reading an article that a so-called "Planet X" on an elliptical orbit was actually our Sun's binary twin but a failed star and it comes back to wreak havoc every 25,000 years or so. Or is that what Nibiru is?

 

[Arazi]

Short version: Small and dark.

More complete answer:

Hubble (and other telescopes) have seen vastly further into space than this hypothesised planet's distance, but they've been looking at huge things that are emitting huge amounts of energy. Entire galaxies, in many cases. This planet, if it exists, would be "emitting" only a miniscule amount of energy from the sun reflected off it.

An analogy: With your naked eye, you can see the Andromeda galaxy, which is about 24,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilometres away. That doesn't mean you could see a black football just 10 kilometres away despite the fact that it's so very much closer.

Things of a similar size and albedo have been detected at much greater distances than this possible planet, but not directly. Exoplanets are usually detected by measuring repeated minute drops in the detected energy from a star - the drops are caused by the planet passing between that star and the observer.

A telescope of the right type and aimed at the right place could detect this possible planet directly...but even if it does exist, where is it right now? With an orbit as large as is suggested and a year as long as is suggested, it would take a completely impractical amount of time to closely scrutinise every position it could be in (and you'd probably still miss it, since it would be moving).

Thanks for that, interesting read.

 

[*Moangroan*]

It's a theoretical 9th planet, about 10 earth Mass's they think has been perturbing various outer planets orbits for a while now, recent observations of trans-neptunian objects orbits were then demonstrated by a computer simulation to show there orbital trajectories could be explained by this theoretical planets gravitation influence.

Interestingly, there was also another study which may or may not of passed peer review which observed unidentified transitions in front of alpha centauri star of an object which may also of been a distant orbiting planet, but this involves even more conjecture and creative interpretation.

So until we have solid proof; we just don't know!

its true...these last 4 words are the only truth in this thread ... lol

 

[BusError]

Theres another study from a little while back that claimed there was an extra gas giant in the solar system that was ejected early-ish on... That what they use to explain the belt beyond mars.

So perhaps that planet was not /fully/ ejected, just tossed out.

 

[Glaucus]

Good video actually explain why some think there's another planet.