Players who should be good, but aren't...

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Bring your players in here. Those who used to be good, those who are believed to be good but aren't, and those playing for decent teams that don't deserve to be. Along with, of course, those players that ARE good players. Not players that WILL be good, or COULD be good, or blow hot and cold, but play well all the time :)

There's quite a few if you think about it.

Believed to be good but aren't and never were:

Wes Brown
Nicky Butt
Ashley Cole
Paul Okon
Nick Barmby
Stephane Henchoz
Olivier Bernard
Emile Heskey
Kieron Dyer
Danny Murphy
Kevin Phillips
Tore Andre Flo
Marcus Stewart
Noel Whelan
Jonothan Greening
Mario Stanic
Jesper Gronkjaer
Jamie Carragher
Celestine Babayaro

Were good but not any more:

Stephen Gerrard
Michael Owen
Ian Harte
David beckham
Paul Scholes
Eirik Bakke
Rio Ferdinand
Mark Viduka
Harry Kewell
Roy Keane
Michael Ricketts
Darius Vassell
Lee Bowyer
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
John Arne Riise
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marcel Desailly
David Seaman

Players that teams couldn't do without:

Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Thierry Henry
Danny Mills
Gianfranco Zola
Alan Shearer
Gary Speed
Jonothan Woodgate
Damien Duff
Sami Hyypia
Gareth Southgate
Sorele Geremi
Patrick Vieira
William Gallas
Shay Given
Paul Robinson
Ryan Giggs


Also interested in hearing your guesses as to who will be joining the ranks of these lists next season and the season after. Mssrs Jamie Milner and Wayne Rooney par example.

So these are a list compiled entirely by atpbx and I. Tell us why we are wrong, Tell us where we are wrong. Tell us where you agree and tell us players you would put in your lists.
 
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Maybe the Gerrard one is a false position. I've swung a long way from believing he could be the biggest loss to England before the World Cup. he just seems to lack the motivation right now. maybe he's only lost it for a short period, but lost it he has.

I've not rated Ashley Cole ever. And even if he does give 110% (something I've never seen evidence of all the way though a match) he's just not that good a player.

I've also noticed that you're only talking about Arsenal players PAz. Can't you bring any more to the discussion?
 
Originally posted by JohnnyG
Believed to be good but aren't and never were:

Joe Cole...
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Good one that. Forgot about him. Just shows how much he does ;)

Oh, and Memphisto, all of those Manyoo players you don't agree with were chosen by atpbx. A manyoo fan :) So don't think it was my Leeds bias getting in the way.
 
Originally posted by JohnnyG
Believed to be good but aren't and never were:

David James...

There's tons of 'em at The Boleyn Ground:D
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Someone believed he was good? :confused:

Originally posted by memphisto
ok mate was getting worried and well I'm not going to say anything about atbx.

I'm on compiling my lists now
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no need to worry. He suggested them and I agreed with them all :)
 
I don't think it's fair to name Keown, Radebe OR Bridges TBH, they've not played for ages through injury/age.

Thats the reason we left out Sheringham (he's a worse player now because he's old, not because he's just lost it).

I don't believe for a second that Taibi had long enough, and he aint in the Prem any more so can hardly be commented on.

Batty aint being picked so he can't be commented on, he was class last season. Nyarko has also left the Prem iirc so he cannot be commented on, Carrick has been playing quite well this season IMO. It's just that no-one else in a West Ham shirt has...
 
Originally posted by PAz
shh, ull get told off for defending your team
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Defending your team aint a problem. but why can't you pass comment on any other players?

Cole might try hard, but in our opinion he just aint that good
 
Originally posted by Jazz
ashley cole gives it 110% and is a good player, he has been arsenals best player all season, i think too many people are assuming he aint good coz all they see are match highlights. His long balls aint great but since when do they have to be brilliant to be a good full back?
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They don't have to be brilliant to be a good full-back, but as atpbx said, Arsenal wouldn't suffer from losing Cole. They'd Play Lauren/Edu and they'd employ the same system and play just as well.
 
Originally posted by Mcb^in
Hmmmm

Players that teams could do without :

Danny mills ?

Shouldn't think so mate, Mills has never been anything but a medicore player imho. Not to mention Leeds have players that could fill that gap...Kelly for example.

Players that were good but arent anymore :

Ferdinand ? :confused : :eek : (Bitter are we ? : p)

Scholes // Beckham (based on what?)

Veron ? He's having a much better season than last

Players that were never good

DOnt agree with Dyer, Cole or Philips tbh.

I think you should add Brad Friedel to the "Teams that couldnt do without"

He has been pretty much the best keeper in the Prem this season so far, with the exception of maybe Cudicini.......
Saved ROvers' behinds on more than one occasion : )
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Danny Mills' return to the Leeds starting 11 is what started our run. Check out our last 6 matches :) And kelly or anyone else aint close to being as good as Mills. Or anyone else in the prem for that matter :)

Ferdinand, Scholes, Backham and Veron were all names by atpbx, who supports manchester untied. Try reading the thread and you'd know that :)

Cole I don't rate, Phillips was a flash in the pan and Dyer is far too injury prone and is extremely over-rated.

You're right about Friedel. Though he's not done as well as Robbo ;)

Originally posted by silverpaw
Dyer's been taking teams apart recently since his blip at Barca', I get the impression Gilly is gradually knowing less about football on a daily basis : p
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Taking teams apart. Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. he reminds me of John Barnes - who lives off his performance, nay, just one goal, all his career. It's just that Dyer hasn't scored that goal yet.

And to know that I have no knowledge of football, you'd have to have some :p
 
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