Please advice on my first build (Ryzen) - or should I just upgrade my Celeron System

ANDREW GREEN

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Hi, I have a Celeron G1610 2.6Ghz, 4gb ram, Intel Graphics. I played really old games on it but newer games would be nice (don't have to be the latest AAA although Witcher 3 would be nice but right now I can't even get Witcher 1 playing an acceptable level).

I was going to buy a GTX 1050 and 8gb of ram but was told my Celeron will bottleneck it and for a bit more I could build a far better PC. So my proposed build so far is:

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 AM4 Processor with Wraith Stealth Cooler

Gigabyte B450M DS3H AM4 DDR4 mATX Motherboard

Vengeance Lpx 16gb 1x16gb Ddr4 2400 Dimm

Second hand 680 GTX 2 gig (£65)

Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Desktop Hard Drive 3.5" 7200RPM 256MB Cache

EVGA 750 B3 750W Modular 80+ Bronze PSU

Obviously I will need a cheap and cheerful case too

So my questions:

1. So an upgrade would cost £180 versus £450 on the build
2.Will it all work together? Will the Ram fit the slot and be Ryzen compatible with the RAM?
3. Will the 680 GTX fit the board? I can find a very similar Gigabyte model on Nvidias site but not the exact one but the board is new.
4. How much performance would I lose if I downgraded to a Ryzen 1200 or 1500? The 1200 gives about half the bench. The 1500x gives 10100 compared to 13492 of the 2600 but I'd save £42 and money is tight
5. Do I need additional cooling or can I get away without it?
6. Is the general thinking that faster Ram doesn't contribute much to gaming? Or is it different with Rysen
7. Is the PSU overkill or do I need it for the 680?
8. Is anything incompatable?
9. Would there be much difference downgrading to 8gb ram?

Uses will be gaming and not so demanding office use. I have no idea about overclocking.

Thank You in advance for any help
 
Could looks at getting a 2nd hand i5 to match your motherboard tend to go for about £40 that should give you enough CPU grunt to manage most mid level graphics cards without issue
 
As you are currently on socket 1155 you can't buy any brand new cpu's for it. However you could pick up a second hand i5 3570/i7 3770 or even the k versions of those cpu's for the extra boost speed. Your Celeron is not a gaming cpu so any of the Sandybridge/Ivybridge i5/i7 cpu's will be a significant upgrade.

You need more than 4Gb of memory these days, 4Gb hasn't been enough for some time now. Is that 4Gb a single stick? If so you could get a matching stick for a total of 8Gb or pick up a 2x 4Gb/2x 8Gb kit. Always buy memory in pairs so that you run in dual channel (unless it's a triple/quad channel platform). Running a single stick means that you are sacrificing performance.

What motherboard do you currently have? I would not buy a GTX680 now, your original idea of a 1050 is the better option. What resolution do you game at? In fact can you post a full list of your current components including make and model of psu please? Can you use smaller text as well?
 
pastymuncher said:
As you are currently on socket 1155 you can't buy any brand new cpu's for it. However you could pick up a second hand i5 3570/i7 3770 or even the k versions of those cpu's for the extra boost speed. Your Celeron is not a gaming cpu so any of the Sandybridge/Ivybridge i5/i7 cpu's will be a significant upgrade.

You need more than 4Gb of memory these days, 4Gb hasn't been enough for some time now. Is that 4Gb a single stick? If so you could get a matching stick for a total of 8Gb or pick up a 2x 4Gb/2x 8Gb kit. Always buy memory in pairs so that you run in dual channel (unless it's a triple/quad channel platform). Running a single stick means that you are sacrificing performance.

What motherboard do you currently have? I would not buy a GTX680 now, your original idea of a 1050 is the better option. What resolution do you game at? In fact can you post a full list of your current components including make and model of psu please? Can you use smaller text as well?
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Sorry about the text, must have been from copy and pasting parts. So current parts are:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61M-USB3V
PSU: CIT 500CB 500w - I know this isn't a great model but maybe enough to handle a 1050 or 950??

The ram I'm struggling to see but from my understanding I'd need to remove the old ram anyway?

I've seen a second hand GTX 950 which is tempting me as it seems it's only 10% slower than the 1050. I've seen a Intel Core i5-3570 (7000+ bench) second hand for £40 and the best i7 3770 (9000+bench) price is £85 so maybe would 3570 surfice?

Yes the 4gb is a single stick. Could I buy an 8gb in 1 slot or would it need to be 2 4gb? It supposedly can support 16gb (I'd imagine 2x8gb), how much of an advantage is 16 over 8?

I can't really play games made in the last 10 years because of the weakness of my performance so an upgrade to 720p or 1080p would be great really.

Thanks allot for your help and Sorry for the newbie Qs
 
I've just run into the following major problem:

Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (32-bit)
NOTE: Windows 32-bit has a 4GB memory limitation

I have Win7 32bit to run an old labeling app that I need to use regularly.
 
First thing i would do is replace that PSU!

Something 80+ Gold rated like this:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £70.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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Get a second hand 3770, i know the 3770k's are going for about £150 as i have been looking myself!
Also get a second hand GPU, something like a 970 will be about £150 which will be much faster than a 1050.

You need to upgrade to 64-bit, google it, you can get a license fairly cheap.
 
NovaKill4 said:
First thing i would do is replace that PSU!

Something 80+ Gold rated like this:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £70.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)
​

Get a second hand 3770, i know the 3770k's are going for about £150 as i have been looking myself!
Also get a second hand GPU, something like a 970 will be about £150 which will be much faster than a 1050.

You need to upgrade to 64-bit, google it, you can get a license fairly cheap.
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The reasoning for a 1050 or 950 was so I'd save cash on not needing a new PSU

The reason for 32 bit is I need it to run a business program that won't run in 64bit. There seems to be a way to get 8gb plus used by the system though:

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/make-windows-7-and-vista-32-bit-x86-support-more-than-4gb-memory/

The question is does 9 and 10 series GTX support Win 32 bit?? Does the 950 need a 6 pin as I don't think the 1050 does.
 
I think everyone on these forums will agree when i say...The first rule of building a PC is never skimp on power supply's!
That CIiT unit is so bad it doesn't even have an 80 Plus Certificate! you will save money by changing it to stop it taking out the rest of your components!
 
As for 32 bit Windows, this is 2018 so I'd consider upgrading to 64 bit and running your 32 bit compatible software in a virtual box. I'd agree with the rest of what has been suggested above.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Sorry about the text, must have been from copy and pasting parts. So current parts are:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H61M-USB3V
PSU: CIT 500CB 500w - I know this isn't a great model but maybe enough to handle a 1050 or 950??

The ram I'm struggling to see but from my understanding I'd need to remove the old ram anyway?

I've seen a second hand GTX 950 which is tempting me as it seems it's only 10% slower than the 1050. I've seen a Intel Core i5-3570 (7000+ bench) second hand for £40 and the best i7 3770 (9000+bench) price is £85 so maybe would 3570 surfice?

Yes the 4gb is a single stick. Could I buy an 8gb in 1 slot or would it need to be 2 4gb? It supposedly can support 16gb (I'd imagine 2x8gb), how much of an advantage is 16 over 8?

I can't really play games made in the last 10 years because of the weakness of my performance so an upgrade to 720p or 1080p would be great really.

Thanks allot for your help and Sorry for the newbie Qs
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Motherboard - Being a H61 chipset there is no overclocking but at least you can put any Sandybridge (2000 series) or Ivybridge (3000 series) cpu in it. Any i5 or i7 will be a big improvement from a Celeron but I would aim for the top cpu's such as the i5 3570 and i7 3770. No point in going for the k versions as they offer nothing extra in this generation other than being unlocked and that is of no use in a H61 motherboard. You won't even need to update the bios because your Celeron needs the same bios as the cpu's that I have suggested.

PSU - Throw it in the bin. Seriously. CiT psu's are absolute garbage. Not only are they featherweight but they will not be able to get anywhere near it's stated output, in fact you would be lucky to get half of it's stated output on the 12v rail where it's needed. If it fails it will more than likely take other components with it. The psu is argueably the single most important component in a pc and is not the place to save money. The cheapest instock psu sold by OCUK that I would recommend for your pc with anything up to and including a GTX1060 or even a GTX1070 is the Bitfenix that Novakill4 suggested in post #6. Unlike your CiT the Bitfenix Formula Series 450w is capable of delivering all of it's 450w across it's triple 12v rails.

Memory - Either get a identical DDR3 4Gb stick to the one you have now (download CPU-z and it will tell you the make, model and speed under the memory tab) or buy a new 8Gb kit (2x 4Gb) or 16Gb kit (2x 8Gb). There is no point in getting fancy or fast memory as the fastest your motherboards chipset will take is 1333mhz. A 8Gb kit is generally enough but some games when running loads of mods can use much more. Of course you will need a 64bit OS to make use of this.

GPU - I would not buy a GTX1050 so don't even consider a 950. I just checked some reviews of the GTX1050/1050ti and even at 1920x1080 it's performance is nowhere near where I would want it to be. Someone mentioned a second hand GTX970 and that would be a much better purchase. It's quite a bit more powerful than a GTX1050/1050ti and should last you longer than one of those. That Bitfenix 450w psu is more than powerful enough for one of those.

Operating system - You really need to move to a 64 bit OS. It will still run 32 bit programs so you may find that your software will work fine (may need to be run in compatibility mode). If it doesn't then you could always stick a basic 32bit Windows on another drive (dual booting) just for your piece of software. You select which version to boot from on startup.

Monitor - The lowest resolution I would consider these days is 1920x1080. That's basically the baseline for gaming now. Resolutions such as 2560x1440 (I run this) are more and more popular now as pc hardware has become more and more powerful. Even 3840x2160 (4k) is possible now although it takes a fair beast of a system to power it. To add confusion to the mix there are also Freesync (AMD cards) and Gsync (Nvidia cards) monitors. Freesync is the cheaper option because Nvidia charge a big premium for the Gsync modules. Essentially they both do the same thing and make gamplay smoother by eliminating screen tearing and stuttering. I have a 144hz Gsync 2560x1440 monitor and to be honest it was a massive improvement in gaming for me and I wouldn't go back to a standard screen now. The downside is that if you want to keep using this feature then you are locked into a single gpu brand. AMD for Freesync, Nvidia for Gsync. You can buy a Freesync 1920x1080 monitor for below £100 while the cheapest Gsync monitor on here is over £400 (Nvidia tax). Monitors are not really my thing so I will let someone else suggest some monitors for you.

Thanks allot for your help and Sorry for the newbie Qs - There is no need to be sorry. It's good that you are asking these questions rather than diving in blind. We were all newbies at some point and asking questions is all a part of learning stuff. This forum mostly exists to help people. There is a vast wealth of knowledge on here waiting to be tapped so don't be afraid to ask questions. :)


***Edit*** Another very worthwhile upgrade would be to add a SSD if you don't already have one. They reduce boot and load times quiet significantly and due to having no moving parts are completely silent. I only have SSD's in my pc now and wouldn't go back to a normal HDD apart from the external one I have for storage and back ups. If you got a SSD you could instal a 64bit OS on it while leaving your current OS intact.
 
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pastymuncher said:
Operating system - You really need to move to a 64 bit OS. It will still run 32 bit programs so you may find that your software will work fine (may need to be run in compatibility mode). If it doesn't then you could always stick a basic 32bit Windows on another drive (dual booting) just for your piece of software. You select which version to boot from on startup.
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This is the best solution, as doing this ensures that your older software will definitely run. Virtual boxes are super things, but guest OSes have their limitations. These days, you really need to be using a 64 bit operating system to benefit from modern hardware and software.

You could get away with putting that and the software you need on a very cheap SSD, they've come down in price quite a bit.
 
Right so I've decided to build a new build or get a second hand one from CEX (which may blow up so maybe a bad idea) as I need Win 32 for some old hardware (can't get it to run on Linux either)

So can someone overlook my parts list so far is as follows and I just need a cheap case that fits it and a wifi card:

Ryzen 1500x

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x 8GB) 3000MHz DDR4

Gigabyte AX370M-DS3H AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard

MSI RX 570 ARMOR 8GB OC GDDR5 Graphics Card

Seasonic 430ST 430W 80+ Bronze PSU

Toshiba P300 2TB SATA 3.5" Hard Drive

 
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You need to remove the competitor links from your post, linking to a competitor website is against the forum rules, we also don't need to see pictures of the products, just a simple list will do.

Just to check, you are going to buy a separate PC for your 32bit software and then have this new build? or will the new build be a 32bit system?
 
NovaKill4 said:
You need to remove the competitor links from your post, linking to a competitor website is against the forum rules, we also don't need to see pictures of the products, just a simple list will do.

Just to check, you are going to buy a separate PC for your 32bit software and then have this new build? or will the new build be a 32bit system?
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Whoops, will do so
 
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