Please spec me a 4770k cpu upgrade

[deadpresidents4]

Looking for someone to spec me a built - keeping the GFX card, no monitor needed or peripherals and ideally a smaller case minding the gfx card size

Current System:

1 x Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail
1 X MSI GeForce RTX 2080 VENTUS 8G (268 x 114 x 50 mm)
1 x Gigabyte Z87X-OC Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard
1 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TE250BW)
1 x 1TB HD
1 x Samsung Blu ray rewriter
2 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G213C1K)
1 x Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Cooler
1 x XFX ProSeries (XXX Edition) 850W
1 x Fractal Design ARC Miditower R2 Side Window

 

[MissChief]

Budget?

AM5 is the way to go, but your budget decides if it's a 9800X3D or a 7700X. Your graphics card will definitely be holding back a new system though, I assume it's just a placeholder for a later upgrade next year or something?

 

[Tetras]

What are you doing with the PC? Is it only gaming?

 

[deadpresidents4]

Budget?

AM5 is the way to go, but your budget decides if it's a 9800X3D or a 7700X. Your graphics card will definitely be holding back a new system though, I assume it's just a placeholder for a later upgrade next year or something?

Yeah I'd like to get a better one in the future but I play at 1440p so its not bad fps wise. Budget wise I'd just want the meta cpu whatever that is rn like how 4770k was? couple hundred but cheap as possible ideally

What are you doing with the PC? Is it only gaming?

Only gaming

 

[Tetras]

Budget wise I'd just want the meta cpu whatever that is rn like how 4770k was? couple hundred but cheap as possible ideally

£200 for the CPU?

What about the rest? It is easier to know the whole budget rather than a price for just one part.

I think the 4770K was considered a high-end part of the day, so £200 on the CPU would be more like a 4650.

A better equivalent would be a £300 9700X or 265K, though for gaming the benefit over the 6 core CPUs is dubious.

Edit: just saw the blu-ray drive, you could take a look at the Pop cases, I believe they have a concealed drive bay.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02677) = £229.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen - Monster Hunter Wilds Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-04648) = £0.00
• 1 x Gigabyte B850M DS3H (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03862) = £139.99
• 1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £80.99
• 1 x Crucial T500 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-CRU-01090) = £129.95
• 1 x Antec CX600M ARGB M-ATX Mini Tower - Black (SKU: CAS-ATC-04160) = £54.95
• 1 x Phanteks AMP GH 850W 80PLUS Gold ATX Power Supply Modular - Black (SKU: POW-PHK-02519) = £104.99
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.98

Total: £782.83 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

 

[Gray2233]

If you're building a PC for anything, especially gaming, you cannot segment cost into individual components.

You're not buying bits and bobs, you're ultimately buying an end unit with a focus and as such an overall budget is the way to go. If you head into building a PC with the mindset of, "I'll spend X on a CPU, Y on RAM" you'll end up with a horrendously imbalanced result that's frankly crap for your intended purposes.

 

[deadpresidents4]

If you're building a PC for anything, especially gaming, you cannot segment cost into individual components.

You're not buying bits and bobs, you're ultimately buying an end unit with a focus and as such an overall budget is the way to go. If you head into building a PC with the mindset of, "I'll spend X on a CPU, Y on RAM" you'll end up with a horrendously imbalanced result that's frankly crap for your intended purposes.

I understand it was Tetras that mentioned cost for cpu around 800 sounds reasonable for everything

£200 for the CPU?

What about the rest? It is easier to know the whole budget rather than a price for just one part.

I think the 4770K was considered a high-end part of the day, so £200 on the CPU would be more like a 4650.

A better equivalent would be a £300 9700X or 265K, though for gaming the benefit over the 6 core CPUs is dubious.

Edit: just saw the blu-ray drive, you could take a look at the Pop cases, I believe they have a concealed drive bay.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02677) = £229.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen - Monster Hunter Wilds Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-04648) = £0.00
• 1 x Gigabyte B850M DS3H (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03862) = £139.99
• 1 x Crucial Pro OC 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-02219) = £80.99
• 1 x Crucial T500 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-CRU-01090) = £129.95
• 1 x Antec CX600M ARGB M-ATX Mini Tower - Black (SKU: CAS-ATC-04160) = £54.95
• 1 x Phanteks AMP GH 850W 80PLUS Gold ATX Power Supply Modular - Black (SKU: POW-PHK-02519) = £104.99
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.98

Total: £782.83 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

Whats the best possible spec considering current performance to value? I wouldnt mind that either has to be undr 1k right

 

[Tetras]

Whats the best possible spec considering current performance to value? I wouldnt mind that either has to be undr 1k right

It is hard to make a strong case for value (for gaming only) with anything above a six core Ryzen 7600/9600.

You can get a 7700/7700X around £250 (cheaper if you're willing to import) or a 9700X, but for the most part games don't care about the 2 extra cores.

The 7800X3D and 9800X3D are the first CPUs I'd say are definitely worth buying, but now the 7600/7600X is available for well under £200, even near to £150, does that make a CPU that costs double or more good value? I think not.

 

[tamzzy]

i know you said £1k budget + reuse the 2080, but i can't help thinking that just getting rid of the whole lot is probably a better idea.
for a £1.2k budget, this is what you can get (5070 included)

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Gigabyte B850M DS3H (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03862) = £139.99
• 1 x PNY XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-51200C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-PNY-04564) = £77.99
• 1 x Palit GeForce RTX 5070 Infinity 3 SFF 12GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-PAL-04407) = £499.99
• 1 x NVIDIA - DOOM: The Dark Ages Premium Edition Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-NVI-05178) = £0.00
• 1 x Team Group MP44L 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-TMG-03129) = £99.95
• 1 x Phanteks AMP 650W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-09Q-PT) = £89.99
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.99
• 1 x Aerocool Dryft Mini v2 Micro-ATX Case (SKU: CAS-AER-00607) = £54.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02677) = £229.99

Total: £1,222.88 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

 

[deadpresidents4]

It is hard to make a strong case for value (for gaming only) with anything above a six core Ryzen 7600/9600.

You can get a 7700/7700X around £250 (cheaper if you're willing to import) or a 9700X, but for the most part games don't care about the 2 extra cores.

The 7800X3D and 9800X3D are the first CPUs I'd say are definitely worth buying, but now the 7600/7600X is available for well under £200, even near to £150, does that make a CPU that costs double or more good value? I think not.

I think I like your spec the most, what is the POP case model name? As I was going to try and have a bluray drive and do you think it would be easy to swap my GPU out for a 5090 in the same spec?

i know you said £1k budget + reuse the 2080, but i can't help thinking that just getting rid of the whole lot is probably a better idea.
for a £1.2k budget, this is what you can get (5070 included)

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Gigabyte B850M DS3H (Socket AM5) DDR5 Micro ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-GIG-03862) = £139.99
• 1 x PNY XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-51200C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-PNY-04564) = £77.99
• 1 x Palit GeForce RTX 5070 Infinity 3 SFF 12GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-PAL-04407) = £499.99
• 1 x NVIDIA - DOOM: The Dark Ages Premium Edition Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-NVI-05178) = £0.00
• 1 x Team Group MP44L 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-TMG-03129) = £99.95
• 1 x Phanteks AMP 650W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-09Q-PT) = £89.99
• 1 x Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02724) = £29.99
• 1 x Aerocool Dryft Mini v2 Micro-ATX Case (SKU: CAS-AER-00607) = £54.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02677) = £229.99

Total: £1,222.88 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Good spec I think I may hold onto my GPU and swap out for a 5090 in the future though and how come 650W over 850?

 

[tamzzy]

Good spec I think I may hold onto my GPU and swap out for a 5090 in the future though and how come 650W over 850?

5090!? That's £2k+, are you really intending to spend that much?
If you are, then the base spec is all wrong anyway. You'd want a 9800x3d.

650w is fine for a 5070 class GPU.

 

[Tetras]

I think I like your spec the most, what is the POP case model name? As I was going to try and have a bluray drive

Fractal POP Air and Mini. There are other cases with optical bays, but they're getting rare. An external drive is an easier fix.

Cases that still have them tend to be large too, like Be Quiet's Pure Base 600.

do you think it would be easy to swap my GPU out for a 5090 in the same spec?

You could probably get enough airflow out of that case, it is long enough and the PSU could handle one, but it is not a spec I'd be building for a 5090. This is more of a budget AM5 (or at best midrange) build.

 

[Gray2233]

If you're wanting to move into 5090 territory you're probably looking at between £1200-1500 for the rest of the PC depending.

This is a thread I made a little while back for a 5090 build with a 3.5k (ish) budget for a family member, with post #7 being what I pretty much went with:

4K Gaming rig, £3500 budget!

Evening chaps, I'm pretty confident in what parts to go for and what to not, but with a budget this high and given the intent behind the build I'm inclined toward making sure it's as near to perfect as possible. The build is intended to be a 50th birthday gift for a family member who has had a...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Might give you an idea, but hold in mind it's overkill in a few areas (PSU, case + fans, I wouldn't necessarily normally opt for an AiO either but the Freezer III's are among the best).

Sure if you're a bare bones gamer that only wants the best possible GPU and hardware to run it for 4K, you could technically get by with a 9600/bare bones AM5 board/32gb of RAM etc but if you need to cut lines that thin you probably shouldn't be buying a 5090. That said, a 5090 and a 9600 might not be the best combination if chasing frames at lower resolutions.

 

[deadpresidents4]

5090!? That's £2k+, are you really intending to spend that much?
If you are, then the base spec is all wrong anyway. You'd want a 9800x3d.

650w is fine for a 5070 class GPU.

Yeah 5090 sounds like overkill for just gaming I'm still thinking it over

Fractal POP Air and Mini. There are other cases with optical bays, but they're getting rare. An external drive is an easier fix.

Cases that still have them tend to be large too, like Be Quiet's Pure Base 600.


You could probably get enough airflow out of that case, it is long enough and the PSU could handle one, but it is not a spec I'd be building for a 5090. This is more of a budget AM5 (or at best midrange) build.

Midrange sounds best for 1440p gaming I think I'll go with your 780 build with the optical drive. What areas couldnt be slightly improved on it?

 

[Tetras]

I think I'll go with your 780 build with the optical drive. What areas couldnt be slightly improved on it?

Truthfully? I'd change almost everything for a 5090, but slightly? Hmm.

You could get a bigger case with more airflow potential and/or more stock fans, but you're limited in choice by the optical bay. The 1000 watt version of the Phanteks PSU instead of 850, just to give you more headroom and C30 memory or a 48/64GB kit, instead of 32GB.