Policing the dark net

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Just saw something on the BBC about MS and Google trying to block all child porn images [which is impossible] and they are talking about policing the dark web.

Now, surely this is just rherotic and they will forever be chasing their own tail. It's bad enough trying to police the surface web, and they want to police the 'dark web' as well? This woman was saying, "well, it's really important that the engineers [engineers?] do their very best to stop this and police the dark web".

Can't imagine anything effective coming of this whatsoever. Just like it's impossible to effectively police and/wipe out the criminal underground in the real world, the same is true of the virtual work. Unless anyone disagrees?
 
Sick people will be sick no matter how hard the internet is Policed. The whole point of the 'dark web' is that they can get away with illegal things like child abuse; I think they have failed before they have even started on this one
 
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They once managed to track a handful of users through TOR. Then version 2 came out, and its 'safer' than ever.

Good old US Navy
 
If the dark web does get cracked open it will become useless to the people that use it. Something else will then be made in its place. Only real solution is to stop these things being made in the first place / shut them down
 
Energize said:
Porn is a more accurate term because it covers non-abuse cases such as where kids have taken videos of themselves etc, which seems to be all too common these days.
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Indeed. "Child abuse" is a more socially acceptable term than "child porn" because it's more vague and additionally points the blame away from purely the user but to the creator as a third party.
 
Even if they work out a way to police the darker side of the net, TOR will just bring a new version out that makes it harder to crack.
 
They're going to block about 100,000 terms [100,000?] from Google. Seriously though, what idiot types in "child abuse images" in Google in order to get their kicks?

Mind you, it's probably the curious and the newbies they're more likely to snare. Pete Townshend was hardly an IT wizard.
 
The people making these claims obviously have no clue what they are talking about.. They just want to make it sound like they are doing something about a sensitive issue.

It will never get sorted, they can't even shut down piratebay, let alone sites which are properly hidden.

I think that google and yahoo may help stop new curious people accessing the data but the current users won't be affected atall.. and even if they managed to close it down, someone will find a way to keep it running..
 
Judgeneo said:
They once managed to track a handful of users through TOR. Then version 2 came out, and its 'safer' than ever.

Good old US Navy
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So did Dread Pirate Roberts get caught using TORv1 or TORv2?

Back to the subject, this isn't going to end child abuse but it is an important step. I'm sure there are some idiots out there who would be stupid enough to try and use Google to access child abuse images and it probably does act as a gateway for them to find more content using other means.

Not so long ago Google were telling us that it was impossible for them to remove child abuse images from their searches, amazing what CEOs will tolerate if it costs them a few bucks to fix.
 
scorza said:
Not so long ago Google were telling us that it was impossible for them to remove child abuse images from their searches, amazing what CEOs will tolerate if it costs them a few bucks to fix.
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Isn't this just about giving people the idea that something is being done? This is all down to pressure from Cameron, and I'm sure he's doing it just to win public favour. I'm sure most people at MS and Google know that this won't make any big long-term difference whatsoever.
 
Lysander said:
They're going to block about 100,000 terms [100,000?] from Google. Seriously though, what idiot types in "child abuse images" in Google in order to get their kicks?

Mind you, it's probably the curious and the newbies they're more likely to snare. Pete Townshend was hardly an IT wizard.
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Think it was Gary Glitter that took his computer into pc world. :D
 
scorza said:
So did Dread Pirate Roberts get caught using TORv1 or TORv2?

Back to the subject, this isn't going to end child abuse but it is an important step. I'm sure there are some idiots out there who would be stupid enough to try and use Google to access child abuse images and it probably does act as a gateway for them to find more content using other means.

Not so long ago Google were telling us that it was impossible for them to remove child abuse images from their searches, amazing what CEOs will tolerate if it costs them a few bucks to fix.
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Neither apparently. He was stupid and used real email addresses on the "light"(?!) web when asking questions about how to build his site and subsequently boasting about it.

At least that's what the police say.

On the other hand tor has withstood the might of several other countries trying to shut it down to impinge free speech, I'm sure it'll have no issues keeping police in another couple of countries away...
 
Lysander said:
Isn't this just about giving people the idea that something is being done? This is all down to pressure from Cameron, and I'm sure he's doing it just to win public favour. I'm sure most people at MS and Google know that this won't make any big long-term difference whatsoever.
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I disagree. I don't think there's ever going to be a panacea for this, all you can do is make things more difficult for the would be consumers of child abuse images and robustly enforce the law.

One thing I wonder about is forcing all ISPs to block all TOR traffic - the ISPs will hate it, and so will the civil liberties crowd, however the prevalence of child abuse images is not a price I'm prepared to pay for online anonymity.
 
scorza said:
I disagree. I don't think there's ever going to be a panacea for this, all you can do is make things more difficult for the would be consumers of child abuse images and robustly enforce the law.

One thing I wonder about is forcing all ISPs to block all TOR traffic - the ISPs will hate it, and so will the civil liberties crowd, however the prevalence of child abuse images is not a price I'm prepared to pay for online anonymity.
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Then it would just get even harder to deal with, they would just create their own ISPs, in fact i read something about it becoming a norm in the future.
 
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