Political Correctness Debate

As Fry and Peterson alluded to at the end, the debate itself was actually quite poor and not about political correctness at all for the most part.
 
Yeah. I did find that pretty annoying. It just seemed as though the left wanted to simply highlight issues without attwmpting to offer any real solutions.
 
The quote at the beginning sums up political correctness:

"Here is the ultimate contradiction in the argument for state suppression of speech in the name of equality: it demands protection of disadvantaged minorities' interests, but in a democracy, the state acts in the name of the majority, not the minority."

You can basically oppress 99% of the population of a country if you pass laws to 'protect' tiny minorities. I mean we're already at the point where most people are having to walk around on eggshells and all it is doing is causing an underlying resentment at the special treatment/inequality it has created.

It's much like the immigration situation, the government goes out of its way to protect returning Jihadis, treating them as victims, Sweden is giving them jobs and homes in the hope that they'll re-integrate and yet meanwhile, there's an explosion in food banks and homeless Brits due to harsh benefits sanctions and genuine asylum seekers/immigrants are facing a growing hostility because the criminal gangs/Jihadis being let in are predictably (unless you're a PC idiot) biting the hand that feeds them. I mean we've reached a point with political correctness where Trump can't even call a dangerous/lawless gang (MS13) animals without being attacked by the PC enforcement machine and people wonder why crime is exploding.
 
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Ironically, political correctness is far more likely to cause more resentment against those it is attempting to protect. Essentially, if you cannot relieve tension laugh at a set of people for something you don't understand (and therefore annoy you a little bit), such as certain religious based views then this tension is going to build up into resentment. What happens when one day a riot comes along allowing people to let out this resentment in a much bigger way then they would have otherwise. Also, people getting dug at for slightly offensive posts are going to make them angry as well, most likely just increasing that resentment.

This is not a point being made against allowing all races and both sexes a fair and equal chance in life, just the suppression of free speech.
 
For me this is very simple, free speech as a principle is (much) more important than people's feelings. End of debate.
 
For me this is very simple, free speech as a principle is (much) more important than people's feelings. End of debate.

I am also an advocate of free speech but understand that it isn't quite as simple as it first looks. Should free speech be allowed to incite hatred? Most would agree not. In which case we are placing restrictions on free speech. The conversation and debate is about where and what the restrictions are. Simple answers to complex problems tend not to work.
 
I am also an advocate of free speech but understand that it isn't quite as simple as it first looks. Should free speech be allowed to incite hatred? Most would agree not. In which case we are placing restrictions on free speech. The conversation and debate is about where and what the restrictions are. Simple answers to complex problems tend not to work.

Who defines hatred? I understand where you're coming from, and of course it's not as simple as free speech > feelings, but ultimately when we're discussing at the margins I'll always revert to that principal.
 
Similar question.... But how does one determine what hate speech is?

In today's world. I wouldn't be surprised if I were ridiculed for openly expressing my dislike for fairies.

Imo all political correctness does is produce a false sense of tolerance.
 
It's a lot like racism. The true non racist doesn't care about skin colour, or which part of the world you are from. Those who constantly bang on about it, are in a way, racist
 
It's a lot like racism. The true non racist doesn't care about skin colour, or which part of the world you are from. Those who constantly bang on about it, are in a way, racist

It was like the Royal wedding, everything had to be viewed through the lens of what it meant for Black people. Do black people not find it patronising to be asked what it means for them as if they are not like you and I? If everyone shut up about Megan being black it would surely normalise it far quicker for the younger generations rather than implying "Look kids even if you are disadvantaged being black, you too can marry a prince". Totally patronising.

Judge people on their mindset and their actions only.
 
It was like the Royal wedding, everything had to be viewed through the lens of what it meant for Black people. Do black people not find it patronising to be asked what it means for them as if they are not like you and I? If everyone shut up about Megan being black it would surely normalise it far quicker for the younger generations rather than implying "Look kids even if you are disadvantaged being black, you too can marry a prince". Totally patronising.

Judge people on their mindset and their actions only.

Lol

Totally agree. I couldn't care less about the wedding. I cared even less about the fact the bride wasn't white. The media is behaving as if mixed marriage was never a thing before today.
 

You must surely be aware that a section of his fanbase are quite cultish ? You'd have to have been living in a cave to not notice...

It's very hard to criticise him publicly without getting absolutely bombarded with abuse by a section of his fans, numerous journalists have felt their wrath when daring to critique him and literally every video on youtube that even attempts to critique him gets neg bombed to death no matter how well presented the argument is or how minor the criticism.

Thats not to say all his fans are like this as I know they aren't but he holds significant appeal to a subsection of young males who latch on to him for his more accessible views on social justice warriors and feminism, the kind of people who think peak political discourse is sh*tposting meme's and making videos on youtube called 'SJW/LIBT4RD/FEMINAZI GETS PWNED'. Unfortunately these types whilst maybe a minority shout the loudest and thus are often seen as the face of his fanbase.
 
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^^ He definitely has a cult like following on the internet, especially since that C4 interview.

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You can basically oppress 99% of the population of a country if you pass laws to 'protect' tiny minorities. I mean we're already at the point where most people are having to walk around on eggshells and all it is doing is causing an underlying resentment at the special treatment/inequality it has created.

It's much like the immigration situation, the government goes out of its way to protect returning Jihadis, treating them as victims, Sweden is giving them jobs and homes in the hope that they'll re-integrate and yet meanwhile, there's an explosion in food banks and homeless Brits due to harsh benefits sanctions and genuine asylum seekers/immigrants are facing a growing hostility because the criminal gangs/Jihadis being let in are predictably (unless you're a PC idiot) biting the hand that feeds them. I mean we've reached a point with political correctness where Trump can't even call a dangerous/lawless gang (MS13) animals without being attacked by the PC enforcement machine and people wonder why crime is exploding.

In regards to the the Trump comment, it seems that it was taken out of context and people thought he was referring to immigrants as animals. At least thats how I saw it presented before I looked up the transcript the White House posted.

I'm not sure what food banks and harsh benefit sanctions have to do with PC culture, thats all down to the current government which are a long long way from being PC. Somewhat ironically, they are the ones that introduced 'hostile environment' policies for illegal immigrants and created a lot of grief for genuine migrants (the whole Windrush farce).
 
You must surely be aware that a section of his fanbase are quite cultish ? You'd have to have been living in a cave to not notice...

It's very hard to criticise him publicly without getting absolutely bombarded with abuse by a section of his fans, numerous journalists have felt their wrath when daring to critique him and literally every video on youtube that even attempts to critique him gets neg bombed to death no matter how well presented the argument is or how minor the criticism.

Thats not to say all his fans are like this as I know they aren't but he holds significant appeal to a subsection of young males who latch on to him for his more accessible views on social justice warriors and feminism, the kind of people who think peak political discourse is sh*tposting meme's and making videos on youtube called 'SJW/LIBT4RD/FEMINAZI GETS PWNED'. Unfortunately these types whilst maybe a minority shout the loudest and thus are often seen as the face of his fanbase.

Okay. I get you now, but you get this on both sides of the social argument.

I like JP. It's refreshing to have someone in the public eye who preaches common sense. The only thing I dislike about him. Is that he can at times become too passionate or emotional. His appiappointm will often view this as aggression... And then choose to overlook the very valid points he often makes.

Thinking about it now I guess I'd get a little angry too if people accused me of saying or doing things, that were completely untrue.
 
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