Poor old Jaguar X-Type

MikeHunt79 · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:22

I've always seen a Jag as a bit of an old man's car... I've never really considered buying one. Saying that, I'd probably take one of those over an A4.

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:27

[TW]Fox;15643053 said:
So despite the fact that every X-Type was aimed at people who spent more on a car than you, you feel they are a poor mans Jag...

I think this kinda warped image thing people have going on is what ruined the X-Types chances.

The whole point is think "Jag" not comparing cost of purchasing a new car to an old one.

A Jag, is an XK, XJ, XF - old / new doesnt matter. Trying to compare an X type to any of these cars - poor man.

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:32

So where do these poor men get hold of the £22,500 to £39,000 required to purchase a new X-Type?

Can you give me some advice on how I might become poor enough to spend that sort of money on a new Jaguar?

jamoor · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:35

Has jag traditionally made cars to compete in this sector?

Small Saloons?

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:37

jamoor said:
Has jag traditionally made cars to compete in this sector?

Small Saloons?

No - it was the first foray.

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:39

[TW]Fox;15643133 said:
So where do these poor men get hold of the £22,500 to £39,000 required to purchase a new X-Type?

Can you give me some advice on how I might become poor enough to spend that sort of money on a new Jaguar?

You are not getting it, or you are fishing for a bite.

Dont think "car" or "money".. Think image. But if you want it in money terms:

XJ - £88k
XK - £78k
XF - £60k

The X type - £32k

Thats why its the poor mans Jag.

If you have £32k to spend, get a 2nd hand version of a proper jag...

Dr Who · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:40

Indeed previous vehicles were more where the 7 series now fits.

alex24 · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:40

[TW]Fox;15643133 said:
So where do these poor men get hold of the £22,500 to £39,000 required to purchase a new X-Type?

Can you give me some advice on how I might become poor enough to spend that sort of money on a new Jaguar?

They're now a poor mans jag though. Not when they were new, since, as you say in your first post, they can be had amazingly cheaply.

That chaps XKR was £70k, that's quite a big difference on the new prices, and they're both significantly cheaper now, but one is still much more expensive than the other.

I don't understand your point :confused:

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:42

martinweston said:
The X type - £32k

Thats why its the poor mans Jag.

Still having difficulty with £32,000 cars and being 'poor'. I do not consider myself as poor but I am unable to consider a £32,000 car.

If you have £32k to spend, get a 2nd hand version of a proper jag...

That'll work well for company car users - Jags main target market with the X-Type.

I think it was outdated illogical and nonsensical 'image' opinions that did the X-Type in. It was Jags potential big ticket to big things.

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:44

alexhull24 said:
They're now a poor mans jag though. Not when they were new, since, as you say in your first post, they can be had amazingly cheaply.

Of course but if we are discussing the cars failure on the market it was intended for we can only discuss new pricing because nobody builds a car for the second hand market years down the line. The prices they offer now is a symptom of the original problem not a reason.

That chaps XKR was £70k, that's quite a big difference on the new prices, and they're both significantly cheaper now, but one is still much more expensive than the other.

I don't understand your point

I don't understand how you don't get it - whatever spin you put on it, we are talking about expensive cars. Have YOU got the money to buy a £22k car?

Are you what you'd consider a poor man?

I really think its silly perceptions that cause big problems for the sales of some cars.

Dr Who · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:45

martinweston said:
You are not getting it, or you are fishing for a bite.

Dont think "car" or "money".. Think image. But if you want it in money terms:

XJ - £88k
XK - £78k
XF - £60k

The X type - £32k

Thats why its the poor mans Jag.

If you have £32k to spend, get a 2nd hand version of a proper jag...

Or its the jag for the person that wants a smaller 4 door saloon.

If they never launched the X-type you would be calling an XF a poor mans Jaguar by that logic?

Poor mans just refers to cheapest in the range then why is it such an issue to brand it?

Surely the poor mans Jag is the 20yr old XJ6?

Plenty of people buy a 3 series, and thats just a poor mans 5 series, which is a poor mans 7 series right?

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:49

[TW]Fox;15643189 said:
Still having difficulty with £32,000 cars and being 'poor'. I do not consider myself as poor but I am unable to consider a £32,000 car.

That'll work well for company car users - Jags main target market with the X-Type.

I think it was outdated illogical and nonsensical 'image' opinions that did the X-Type in. It was Jags potential big ticket to big things.

You are still thinking "person".

Ok...

You want to buy a new car, you want to buy a Jaguar. Remove the X type from the equation and you are left with a 60k car. You cant afford it. Lucky for you, Jaguar thought it would be a good idea to water down the image and try to make a few quid - enter the cheap Jag. (Cheap compared to the other ranges not a pile of cash). Poor mans jag.

Fett · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:51

[TW]Fox;15643189 said:
Still having difficulty with £32,000 cars and being 'poor'. I do not consider myself as poor but I am unable to consider a £32,000 car.

This invariably comes up in every other Porsche thread. A "poor man's [insert what you like]" is an idiom, not to be interpreted literally, so actual monetary value, whatever it may be in this context, has nothing to do with it.

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:52

Dr Who said:
Or its the jag for the person that wants a smaller 4 door saloon.

If they never launched the X-type you would be calling an XF a poor mans Jaguar by that logic?

Poor mans just refers to cheapest in the range then why is it such an issue to brand it?

Surely the poor mans Jag is the 20yr old XJ6?

Plenty of people buy a 3 series, and thats just a poor mans 5 series, which is a poor mans 7 series right?

No, i wouldn't have considered the XF a poor mans jag, it kept the values. Had they not have launched the 2009 XJ though i would have been refering to the XF as a mistake - It's all about the flagship XJ.

Nope, a 20 year old XJ6 has its looks and charms and with repair bills likely to average 5k a year its an enthusiast car not a poor mans.

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:53

martinweston said:
You want to buy a new car, you want to buy a Jaguar. Remove the X type from the equation and you are left with a 60k car. You cant afford it. Lucky for you, Jaguar thought it would be a good idea to water down the image and try to make a few quid - enter the cheap Jag.

Exactly. Because making a few quid is the reason the companies exist. After all, there is a watered down BMW, a watered down Audi and a watered down Lexus..... and its where each company makes most of its money.

Money it uses to fund models people like you enjoy.

Poor mans jag.

No. Why must you be a poor man simply because you went for the cheaper option?

If a poor man buys a brand new X-Type what are you with your 8 year old £14k XKR? Below the poverty line?

[TW]Fox · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:54

Fett said:
This invariably comes up in every other Porsche thread. A "poor man's [insert what you like]" is an idiom, not to be interpreted literally, so actual monetary value, whatever it may be in this context, has nothing to do with it.

I appreciate that. I just think its an utterly ridiculous term.

Because it seriously affects car companies and it makes the people who use it look rather daft.

Big-Mac-Please · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:56

Have you got a job with jag?

Ev0 · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:57

martinweston said:
You are not getting it, or you are fishing for a bite.

Dont think "car" or "money".. Think image. But if you want it in money terms:

XJ - £88k
XK - £78k
XF - £60k

The X type - £32k

Thats why its the poor mans Jag.

If you have £32k to spend, get a 2nd hand version of a proper jag...

Doesn't the XF start around 34k anyway, not 60k?

I liked the X type, wouldn't have bought oen new but second hand they are a good buy.

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 19:59

[TW]Fox;15643250 said:
Exactly. Because making a few quid is the reason the companies exist. After all, there is a watered down BMW, a watered down Audi and a watered down Lexus..... and its where each company makes most of its money.

Money it uses to fund models people like you enjoy.

No. Why must you be a poor man simply because you went for the cheaper option?

If a poor man buys a brand new X-Type what are you with your 8 year old £14k XKR? Below the poverty line?

But Jag DIDNT make money from it....

As above, "poor man" is a commonly used idiom, not taling about an actual man...

And me? No, im not below the poverty line. I'm a Business Analyst with a salary classed by the UK as top 25%. I use loans to purchase the car / bike's I want - living off credit. But, i have property investment.

WrathOfAchilles · 2 Jan 2010 at 20:00

Ev0 said:
Doesn't the XF start around 34k anyway, not 60k?

Or are you only quoting top models as the XJ starts at around 53k, XK 60k , and X Type 22k.

Took top end from a quick google, they looked quite consistent.