Poor old Jaguar X-Type

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Howard said:
Wow, they are cheap :eek:

Am I right in assuming that being Mondeo-based, the reliability will be largely on par? I.e. that they'll be *generally* cheaper to service/repair than a BMW for instance?

I can see myself in a 3.0 V6 Sport :cool:
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Agreed, I can see myself in one of these in a couple of years when the later models come down in price and I've run the current motor into the ground. Granted for what they are the older ones are a bargain!
 
If I had to sell my CTR, and was being made to buy something of a similar used value that was comfortable and more practical, I'd seriously consider the X Type, probably a Sport. I've always liked them, and can see where Fox is coming from.

What are running costs like on these? Servicing, parts etc?
 
[TW]Fox;15642673 said:
The Jaguar X-Type.

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Not a bad car by any means, but the point which Jaguar / Ford missed - and it was a big one - is that the X-Type couldn't compete as a sales proposition against Audi/BMW/Merc executive cars because its image was simply OLD.

Old fashioned body style which no wide boy lairy exec at the time would want. Wood interior when the likes of Audi were moving to 21st century interiors. Slinky shape? Nope. Even Lexus stole a few sales from BMW with its IS200. That looked modern at the time, if a bit weird at the back.

Also the X-Type is small inside. Much smaller than the Mondeo in terms of internal space. The engines / engine range wasn't that great either. Reliability was nothing more than average, the 4 WD system had pretty iffy reliability, and the diesel had the same reliability disease as the Mondeo TDCi.

So all in all, it was an 'okay' car but no strengths in any particular area and none that were better than the competition. If you want to penetrate a new market, be much better than the competition at something (witness Lexus) and have a USP. In that respect, the X-Type didn't hit the mark.

Incidentally, I've never seen an X-Type with a 'sticky out' leaping Jaguar on the bonnet. Have you?
 
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The Mondeo was actually the development platform for the X type. You will find a maximum commonality of components between the Jaguar and Ford offering of 28%.
 
It had a poor image and failed because everyone knew it was a Ford in Jag clothing. Even though the Ford car underneath was a more than solid foundation, Jaguar didn't make bitza's until the X-Type came along and like so many manufacturers it was seen for what it was. A highly dubious image over substance car that had more Ford in it than Jaguar, even if they were one in the same at that point.

The current Jag range is the best they have ever had in my mind, return to strength and hopefully they will stay alive as they ARE a great name of motoring who have produced some earth shatteringly epic cars....more than once.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
The Mondeo was actually the development platform for the X type. You will find a maximum commonality of components between the Jaguar and Ford offering of 28%.
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What has been seen (or said by Clarkson) can not be unseen by the great British pubics, sadly...
 
Always liked the X-Type, even considered buying one of the R's a couple of years back.
It may be based on the Mondeo, but damn it was a good car and is now an utter bargain.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Ah well, makes space for LRX, possibly the return of RD6 aswell ;)
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Greatness is in Jag's DNA
 
Housey said:
Greatness is in Jag's DNA
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But that's the big mistake - Jaguar, Ford or whoever are living in the past and being guided too much by so called 'heritage' rather than thinking about how to move successfully into the 21st century. I don't involves harking back to the past. You only have to look at the 'Inspector Morse' S-Type to know that. What worked 50 years ago doesn't necessary work now. There's a graveyard of motor manufacturers that were good once, but no longer exist anymore.
 
[TW]Fox;15643775 said:
Really? What stopped you?

Was it the fact they never made an X-Type R?
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D'OH! Really need to drink more coffee while posting.
Mixed the the X-Type and XJ. Take the XJ - photocopy design at 80% scaling - sell as X-Type. ;) Shame though - the X-Type with the 4.2 Supercharged V8 would rock. :D

Still an utter bargain though.
 
MarkDavis said:
But that's the big mistake - Jaguar, Ford or whoever are living in the past and being guided too much by so called 'heritage' rather than thinking about how to move successfully into the 21st century. I don't involves harking back to the past. You only have to look at the 'Inspector Morse' S-Type to know that. What worked 50 years ago doesn't necessary work now. There's a graveyard of motor manufacturers that were good once, but no longer exist anymore.
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Jaguar have moved the game on with their current range, it is very good. To imply that simply making new versions of old cars is what they need to do or the mistake manufacturers make is to miss my point...
 
Drove an X Type 3.0 V6 AWD extensively, was crap.

Diff whine, cold syncro issues, creaked, moaned, squeeked. This on a very low mileage car with FSH. Went onto the forums and found four trillion other pwners making same complaints.

Astonishingly stupid power delivery for a car in this class.

Rubbish handling.

Terrible fuel economy.

Was crap.

Party on......
 
The problem is not that the X-type is a rubbish car, because it isn't, in fact in many ways it's very good. The problem is that it isn't a proper Jaguar. As capable as the Mondeo platform is, it's still a Mondeo platform - i.e not a Jaguar platform.

Platform aside, Jaguar should never have entered this market in the first place. Ford, in its infinite wisdom, decided that Jag should become a mass market manufacturer - this meant producing a 3 Series/A4/C Class rival. Jaguar are a luxury brand and entering this market only served to damage this 'luxury' image. Jaguar have since admitted this and as a result the X-type isn't being replaced. Instead, Jag are focusing on producing proper, British, world beating luxury cars. Now, in the post-Ford era, they're no longer trying to compete with the Germans in terms of sales, because that isn't what Jag is about.

The X-type is a reminder of the Ford owned, mass market, sales obsessed era that Jaguar unfortunately passed through. I certainly wont be mourning it.

Edit: The other mistake, as others have said, was Ford playing on Jags heritage. The X-type looked like a scaled down XJ and just as old. Then along came the new XJ and (despite being incredibly modern underneath) looked exactly the same as the old one. The S-Type looked like it came from Victorian times. And why all this oldness? Because of some moronic Ford execs who thought it would be a good idea. Sigh. Now that Jag are free of Ford they're producing some of the most modern (both mechanically and asthetically) cars on sale.
 
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