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Originally Posted by mehuk
You are having a laugh ... Top 6 with that tat...

SWP pace not much more
Barton - thug not much more
Onouha - poor
Johnson - aint he a cripple
Richards - decent
Hart - decent but nothing compared to proper keepers and City really need to replace him. Forget your English bias, be honest.
Sturridge - granted, but he has blossomed at Chelsea... not while at City
Ireland - i loved him for City but since then he has lost his way

So are you telling me that bunch of misfits would be top 6 material when only 3 iirc play for a Top 6 team... 2 of which are by default given Citys cash.

Its a decent academy but its hardly Ajax and its European Champion side of the 90s or Barcelona and its stream... and thus to be a success your academy will always be an after thought.

Pizzaro is a perfect example of how and why there is no use to your academy when instant success is expected.

Response by JonneyMendoza
*** No personal insults *** All those players you mentioned are good players. You aint got a got a clue about football.


All those players are on a scale of 10, around a 7 at an average IMO. Like someone else has said, if every team in the PL only played there youth players, Man city would probably be right where they are today in the league table.

Name me another club that can easily match that youth team?

Arsenal? LOL, united? LOL, chelsea? exactly my point.

i hate city and there riches just as much as many none city fans do but at least i acknowledge that their youth system is probably one of the best in the league for the past 4+ years
 
Lets respond then and have a proper thread for it.

Old Mendoza with his threats and name calling, love it, nice touch. 'Aint got a clue about football'

Did you read my views on the players that you rate at 7 out of 10.....

Sweep never reached his potential, pace makes players look better than they are... but his final product is dire and hence him ending up at QPR albeit a bench player at Chelsea and then City in his 'prime' - real world beater on our hands there.

Barton - i dont mind him, i like players who do naughty things makes the game more interesting, but he has little more to his game. Robbie Savage or similar, tackles, can make short passes and yes its useful.. but it wont rip up trees.

Onouha is poor and ive not seen anything of him that will change that.

Johnson is a cripple so how he would command this team to Top in the Premier League as you state, I just dont know.

Richards, Hart and Sturridge ive all admitted are decent players... Hart id replace if I was at City as there are better keepers and Sturridge I really like.

Ireland as ive said I loved him for City, since then lost his way.

So in essence I didnt really **** them off, but I stick by my point that they wouldnt be a top 6 team with that lot and to suggest that the academy is top class is way off the mark when you look around the world and even England at some fo the players produced here and there.

I probably made a mistake including Hart in my list... he was bought from Shrewsbury after playing first team football.. so scratch him out.. now you need another keeper as well.

Lets go at it then, get googling as you need to come up with something special to not look anymore stupid than already do.
 
He is a decent keeper but if City want to be the best, the best he aint and thus needs replacing.

Id argue he is not even the top keeper in the Premier League and certainly wouldnt be top 10 in the World.
 
Valdes isn't near the best, third best Spanish keeper, Barca do alright, Hart does not need replaced rofl

Barcelona are in the Champions League still, City are not - says a lot.

I agree about Valdes not being the best Spanish keeper but they are blessed atm, similar to when England had Shilts, Clemence then onto Seaman we produced the best at one point. Valdes is on par with Hart easily but he also is in a team full of better players, with a better system and management/coaching staff behind him.

Hart may thrive in that scenario but he is not in it, thus if City want to be the best they need the best at key positions ie keeper.
 
He is a decent keeper but if City want to be the best, the best he aint and thus needs replacing.

Id argue he is not even the top keeper in the Premier League and certainly wouldnt be top 10 in the World.

Please do enlighten me as to which goalkeeper we should buy then.

and as for the rest of your points about the other players, at the end of the day they are all decent prem players with a few very good players in there eg Richards and Hart.

All of those players currently play in the Prem and we have plenty of good players in the Championship and League 1 eg BWP, Evans, Clayton and so on.

Also our academy is not top class but considering the financial constraints and so on we had before our takeover i think our academy is very good. I think a league full of teams just with academy graduates would put us easily in the top 6, now we have the financial backing we can really focus on the academy and so will produce some real top players.
 
You wont though, the owners wont want to wait for 'kids' to mature, they wont accept struggling... look at Chelsea they loaded up their academy with every tom dick and harry in the land, yet they still spend cash on ready made players to do the job that these kids were supposed to do.

You can spend 1 billion on your academy every day for all I care, I guarentee that City will not have more than 1 or 2 (if that) academy player down the line (from this new super academy you have) as the cash will be spent to buy the better already made talent.

That was the point I made in another thread and it will still stand. Cash is king, time isnt.
 
You wont though, the owners wont want to wait for 'kids' to mature, they wont accept struggling... look at Chelsea they loaded up their academy with every tom dick and harry in the land, yet they still spend cash on ready made players to do the job that these kids were supposed to do.

You can spend 1 billion on your academy every day for all I care, I guarentee that City will not have more than 1 or 2 (if that) academy player down the line (from this new super academy you have) as the cash will be spent to buy the better already made talent.

That was the point I made in another thread and it will still stand. Cash is king, time isnt.
Ok well that is your opinion. I think it is wrong and I don't think I am alone in saying that.

FFP will mean that we/pretty much everyone else won't be able to go out and spend big, so youngsters will be the way forward. We already have spent a lot on infrastructure and when the new campus opens this will be incredible.

And you can't gurantee anything in life, especially not football I have found ;)

Cash is king and with cash comes time, having the long term investment of Sheikh Mansour means we have the time to put in place things like the Etihad Campus.

It is when you have no money that time is crucial eg Clubs getting into administration and having limited time before they are wound up.
 
Barcelona are in the Champions League still, City are not - says a lot.

I agree about Valdes not being the best Spanish keeper but they are blessed atm, similar to when England had Shilts, Clemence then onto Seaman we produced the best at one point. Valdes is on par with Hart easily but he also is in a team full of better players, with a better system and management/coaching staff behind him.

Hart may thrive in that scenario but he is not in it, thus if City want to be the best they need the best at key positions ie keeper.

I'm sorry, Hart is the least of City's worries, Hart is better than Valdes already at this stage in his career, you're wrong.
 
Hart is fantastic keeper.

You could put forward an argument for Keul, Reina and Friedel being better but it would be a close call for any of them to be called the best. (this all my opinion of course!)
 
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