PRICE ME A COMPLETE SYSTEM

Wizard Keyaz · 12 Aug 2009 at 14:49

Hi Guys,

Can someone price me a Server spec, it has to be the CHEAPEST possible for a web hosting server.

From A to Z

And some advice about maintenance of it as well as minimum requirements needed as this will be my first!

Much appreciated.

Wiz Key

Rob7865 · 12 Aug 2009 at 15:04

To be honest, if your asking for specs and how to maintain a web hosting server, I don't really think its for you... Maintaining a internet facing web server is hard work, you need to make sure its 100% secure 24/7 and not going to be compromised...

You may be better off looking at purchasing a web hosting package from a proper web hosting provider who's job is to look after and maintain their web servers.....

just my 2 pence

Rob

iaind · 12 Aug 2009 at 15:28

Yup, I agree with Rob

Hairybudda · 12 Aug 2009 at 15:30

How much traffic are you expecting to be putting through it? What services are you going to need to run?

slylittlefox · 12 Aug 2009 at 16:07

Echo the sentiments of iaind and Rob. Find a cheap web host instead

atomiser · 12 Aug 2009 at 18:49

Rob7865 said:
To be honest, if your asking for specs and how to maintain a web hosting server, I don't really think its for you... Maintaining a internet facing web server is hard work, you need to make sure its 100% secure 24/7 and not going to be compromised...

You may be better off looking at purchasing a web hosting package from a proper web hosting provider who's job is to look after and maintain their web servers.....

just my 2 pence

Rob

this.

brainchylde · 12 Aug 2009 at 19:06

It ain't the server that's expensive. It's the bandwidth. If it's a home DSL line you may aswell stick *nix on a £50 quid machine off ebay, coz you won't be able to serve enough people to make it worth your while anyway.

Burnsy2023 · 12 Aug 2009 at 19:12

slylittlefox said:
Echo the sentiments of iaind and Rob. Find a cheap web host instead

Wizard Keyaz · 12 Aug 2009 at 20:54

Thanks much appreciated

Wizard Keyaz · 13 Aug 2009 at 10:43

People need to be thrown into the deepend of things so that they can understand what they are dealing with because sometimes people can't find the right channels to get started on there own.

If people on here are that helpful as the fist guy who responded by being harsh.

How about people saying "you can't do it because blah blah blah," instead of belittling someone who is new at this ball game.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Aug 2009 at 11:23

brainchylde said:
It ain't the server that's expensive. It's the bandwidth. If it's a home DSL line you may aswell stick *nix on a £50 quid machine off ebay, coz you won't be able to serve enough people to make it worth your while anyway.

We have told you why it's not a good idea.

Rob7865 · 13 Aug 2009 at 12:50

Wizard,
Yes I agree we all need to start somewhere, I am sorry if you thought my response was harsh, but I have seen too many people put an un-patched / unproteched box on the internet thinking they can use it as a webserver and in seconds the thing has been compromised and is spewing Malware and hosting Botnets.
If you really want to play with webservers, then setup a box (LAMP or WAMP) on an INTERNAL network - or setup a VM environment that is not connected to your WAN NIC.

Most home broadband suppliers will also stop or frown upon traffic going to a system on port 80 (Something taking the bandwidth their customers pay for!) - you will also need a static IP, again something you wont get with a home broadband package....

So, really - save yourself the hassle and the headaches and get a decent EXTERNAL webhosting package

Wizard Keyaz · 13 Aug 2009 at 13:08

Rob7865 said:
Wizard,
Yes I agree we all need to start somewhere, I am sorry if you thought my response was harsh, but I have seen too many people put an un-patched / unproteched box on the internet thinking they can use it as a webserver and in seconds the thing has been compromised and is spewing Malware and hosting Botnets.
If you really want to play with webservers, then setup a box (LAMP or WAMP) on an INTERNAL network - or setup a VM environment that is not connected to your WAN NIC.

Most home broadband suppliers will also stop or frown upon traffic going to a system on port 80 (Something taking the bandwidth their customers pay for!) - you will also need a static IP, again something you wont get with a home broadband package....

So, really - save yourself the hassle and the headaches and get a decent EXTERNAL webhosting package

The server will be hidden from all public eyes, I am however intending to use a suitable connection (HSP) ideally for a Server do do such job I require.

At the moment I am using a external Web Host but I am paying a lot of money for and was considering building my own to save the money, as of now I have three web developers and I will be selling websites on a fulltime basis taking a step back from the hardware and concentrating and two highly paced markets which is Software and Web Development through my existing Hardware services.

Also the cooled environment the server will be placed already has a red alarm system.

Anyways I hope you have a nice day.

Burnsy2023 · 13 Aug 2009 at 14:07

Why didn't you say that to start off with? Also how much traffic will it be hosting? Is it only a dev box?

dangerstat · 13 Aug 2009 at 18:05

To be honest this is dependant on what the web server will be doing. If he's just wanting to set up a simple box to host something to serve data that's not important and not production / mission critical, then why not setup his own? Might be less hassle than getting some cheap external stuff - but if he wants to make things difficult for himself why not let him?

Wizard Keyaz · 14 Aug 2009 at 02:18

Burnsy2023 said:
Why didn't you say that to start off with? Also how much traffic will it be hosting? Is it only a dev box?

At the moment, I have more than 15+ ecommerce website running and more than 50+ managed site including info based static with heavy flash based websites.

At the moment I was wondering who is the best network provider for the net and also which will be the best hardware for it.

WK

DRZ · 14 Aug 2009 at 12:28

My question would be: Do you really think you can save money by doing it yourself?

For that many sites, you're going to need a decent internet connection which will on its own outprice most colocation facilities. Then you have to buy the hardware and most importantly of all, spend the time maintaining it.

A leased line at the sort of bandwidth you are talking about is going to cost you several thousand pounds per annum, plus a hefty installation charge.

daz · 14 Aug 2009 at 13:21

Wizard Keyaz said:
At the moment, I have more than 15+ ecommerce website running and more than 50+ managed site including info based static with heavy flash based websites.

At the moment I was wondering who is the best network provider for the net and also which will be the best hardware for it.

WK

What kind of traffic/load are you currently using?

Using your own hardware and co-locating can save you money in very specific circumstances - this tends to be if you're wanting to use specific hardware or very high-end hardware.

More often than not, you would be better renting a dedicated server from a reputable provider. This way, if there is a hardware failure in the middle of the night, the server provider takes care of it and you can sleep easy. If you co-locate your own hardware, you would need to attend to hardware issues yourself, which means driving to the datacenter.

We tend to use two types of servers:

Dell R200, Quad Core, 4-8GB RAM, 2 x 15K SAS (SCSI) in RAID1

Dell R710, 8-16GB RAM, dual Nehalem Quad Cores, PERC 6 hardware RAID and then either 6 x 15K SAS or 8 x 10K SAS.

Feel free to price those up on the Dell site.