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Problem but don't know what????????

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Funny things happening yesterday.

I installed Windows 9 a few weeks ago, when updating the GPU drivers from 14.9 to 14.9.2 last night i got some problems, it took a while to install and would freeze me out, when it eventually did install i ended up with big mouse lag and beeping noise, whenever the mouse pointer moved it would go beeb...been..been..been.... across the screen.

I rebooted, the computer shut off halfway through the boot, like it tripped out. booted again and it loaded, but back to the old drivers, i uninstalled them and install 14.9.2 as fresh, this time it went fine, i played around for a while and booted back into Windows 8.1, after a while in there i went to boot back into Windows 9, half way through the boot cycle it tripped / shut off again.

This time i could not get it to boot into Windows 9 or 8.1.

Alter hours of messing on trying to get it to work this is what i found:

Initially It gave me a post screen with the "overclock failed hit F1 for settings" i went into the BIOS hit F5 and then F10 to set default.

Then the fun started.

It would immediately shut off before post.

Taking the battery out or clearing CMOS got me to the post screen, for a few seconds and then shut off again. 'The boot device LED' next to the South Bridge was on

If i tried to boot again without clearing CMOS it would shut off before post, if i cleared CMOS it would post with the OC fail error, the longer i waited on CMOS clearing the longer the post screen seemed to last before shutting off, once or twice i managed to get into the BIOS to reset again only for it to shut off on reboot.

It was starting to feel very much like a fatal hardware fault, i was thinking Motherboard? PSU?

As a desperate attempt i stripped the computer down and cleaned it up, i even pulled the PSU apart to clean all the dust out, had a good look inside, apart from one wobbly Capacitor it looked in good health, no discolouring solder / PCB, burns or bulging Caps. the Motherboard also looked in good health.

After putting it all back together i ended up with the same problems...

It was getting late, so i turned off the PSU, set the CMOS pin to clear and went to bed leaving it like that.

This morning i put the CMOS pin back to normal and fired up the computer, i got the OC error again, got into the BIOS, F5 to reset and it shut off again, i turned it on again and it loaded into windows!!!! :eek: :D

I have not yet rebooted to test if its holding, as its now running again i'm thinking just leave it for a while, let it get used to everything being ok.

Things to note:

Before this the 12v rail in GPU-Z would drop from 11.75v to between 11.38v and 11.25v when the GPU was used

The 3.3v at idle in Asus AI would fluctuate between 3.24v and 3.196v, stressed it would be between 3.196v and 3.16v.
Its now running at 3.312v and 3.288v idle, i have not seen it that high for a while.

In BF4 i used to get random freezing, if it was BF4 or the CPU overclock, or the GPU overclock i don't know, i could never pin it down.

I have had a sense for the past 6 Moths or so that something isn't quite right, but thats mainly due to the low 12v GPU-Z readings and the lower 3.3v readings i had before.

In the past there was no voltage drooping at all with this system, and the 3.3v and 12v were always at least 12 and 3.3v, but these were also with less power hungry parts.

Anyone with any idea's?
 
Droop to 11.25V makes me think the PSU isn't man enough. Isn't it supposed to be 12v±5%?

Yeah, it starts at 11.75 to 11.25v thats -4% but its still low.

Then again, software is never accurate. I just don't know.

Anyway, i'm going for a reboot, wish me luck.
 
Good luck with the reboot. If it's still playing up get a more beefy PSU to test imho.

Thanks Boom :) rebooted fine but i still want to do some other things before relaxing over it, like overclock my CPU again.

Am guessing some sort of conflict between windows 10 and your Overclocking messed up your system...

Quite strange one like

It is, that beeb..beeb..beeb mouse thing after upadting the drivers was funky, i'm also thinking one of the things that could be wrong here is something had a big argument with Windows 9/10 and then sulked over it for a while, Win 9/ 10? whatever its called...

As for the volts, other than an occasional BF4 freeze up the system has always been rock solid, even running the GPU at 1200/1500 @ 1.35v was never a problem, or even with 1.4v, i could run 1200/1500 24/7 if i wanted to, its cool enough and no artefacts ecte...

the problem i have is: IF there is a problem is it the PSU? it could just as easily be the Motherboard, i might end up rebuilding half the PC at a cost i don't want right now.
 
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I doubt its a PSU problem. A issue with a PSU will bring full system shutdown or auto re-starting. It wont freezes

A failing Overclock on Windows 10 would freeze the system or re-start.. The with you press F5 to roll back, its not full restored the BIOS settings and still loading the OC profile..

Taking the battery out and clear Cmos has full restored the BIOS settings to default and this is why its not booted again.

This is how I seeing it.

Taking the battery out or using the CMOS pin was not a problem, i could get back into the BIOS to F5, the problem came when it then consequently reset, it would just go *Dink* and power off, if i then turned it back on it would trip out before posting.

Often after resetting CMOS it would put up the post screen for a couple of seconds and then trip off, once i managed to get into the BIOS and it tripped off in the BIOS.

It wasn't until this morning that i managed to reset the BIOS, it did trip off on reset, but when i then powered it on again it loaded into windows.
 
Ah.... this is also new, the 12v in GPU-Z is no longer drooping to 11.25v and its more stable, sticks solid to 11.63v from 11.75v

That along with the higher 3.3v i'm now getting.

WTF is going on here?

 
Sounds like it is infested with Aliens, best take off and nuke it from orbit, it is the only way to be sure.

:D thanks for the Monday lol, needed that :)

Did you use all the same cables from the PSU when you put it back together?
Not sure if the XFX unit has multiple 12v rails? If so maybe when you put it back you balanced the rails better and that's stopping it dropping off as bad?

I've got a fairly similar rig that I'm using to test Windows 10 (except with Asus M5A99X EVO motherboard, a 7950 Boost GPU and a Corsair TX750 PSU). CPU is at 4.5GHz but GPU is stock. Not had any issues with it but I've not upgraded to the 14.9.2 drivers. Think I'm on the 14.9.1 drivers, or just the 14.9s.
But to be honest I only use it from time to time as I don't have all my stuff and games on it.

The PSU (XFX Pro 750) has a single 62A 12v rail, its actually a SeaSonic re-brand in an ugly XFX box. its a solid PSU, or at least its meant to be.
 
It seems to be ok again, Voltage regulation is a lot more stable than it has been for about 6 Months, coming to think of it it wasn't until after i installed the FX-8350 that i got big Vdroop, i upgraded it from an X6 1090T.

Might it be that the BIOS did not fully recognise the new CPU, after 10 hours of the CMOS pin being in the clear position its perhaps properly cleared CMOS and fully recognised the FX CPU now?

Don't know, but in GPU-Z the 12v now only goes from 11.75 to 11.63 and sticks there, before it was from 11.75 and fluctuating between 11.50 and 11.25.

3.3v now doesn't move no matter what, where it did before.

12v in HWMonitor used to go from 12.04v to 11.798 on stressing the CPU, it now only goes to 11.95.

Anyway, thats useful info PG/Boom, if its an intermittent fault and comes back i have my eye on a Supper Flow 650 Watt PSU. :)
 
Glad you got it sorted
What i can suggest why your 12v is higher is when you unplugged you motherboard and plugged it back in you cleaned up the terminals slightly for a bettter power flow, My tx 850 12v line was low for a year and when i changed cases it also shot back to where it should be then month later was low, i took the plugs out cleaned all the terminals and poof sorted 6months later still fine

Yeah, you might be onto something, i have had it for 3 years, the terminals maybe could do with a clean

H'mm, you could test the PSU with a multimeter, have you got one?

The one in this video you can get from Maplins for around £8, I've got the exact same one, runs off a 9v battery.


Can you use them to measure voltage under load?
 
Reason I said is because from reading various forums, they say software doesn't give an accurate reading compared to a digital multimeter.

I've seen some videos testing the 24 pin while connected to the motherboard, but I don't think I would fancy that, it's best looking into it more.

Maybe ask on jonnyguru forums, their is like about 6 PSU reviewers for various websites who spend half the night on there answering all sorts of geeky stuff. They will let you know 100%.

Thanks. :)
 
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