Problem with ex-landlord

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Last year there were five of us living in a house. We payed a damage deposit of £200 each (£1000 in total).

Today 3 of us have seen a letter he sent on the 1st Sept 2007 to our housemate in London who has been travelling until yesterday. We all (four of us now) moved in today to the new house. The letter listed a lot of damages exceeding £2300.

The big damages were that the bathtub was damaged by one housemate when he slipped in the bath and his knee went into the tub creating a hole sometime in February. He still has a scar from that. We informed the landlord and he said don't worry about it. He has now proceeded to charge us £650 because :

bath damaged being champagne colour, no longer available, to replace the entire bathroom suite to match up. To supply/fix, to make good works disturbed, connect to hot/cold water, make frame for bath, fix panels.
Now, surely we only have to pay for the bath which should be nowhere near the price aformentioned, including labour costs (which by the way he has hired illegal eastern european immigrants who cannot speak English). The decision to replace the suite is the landlord's.

Unlocking doors when 2 of my housemates locked themselves out, 3 visits - £90.

This was not stipulated in the contract, and now face charges for it.

There were many other "damages" e.g. Missing chair £150, Fire rebate strip removed, which previous residents performed £200 (We called him time and again, mentioning the fire regulation rules but he never bothered replacing the strip while we were there).

3 Retainer cheques (£175) were not payed, although we have payed them and have record of it (cheque book, bank statements).

He wishes to be payed 28 days after post (1/9/07). None of us has this money.

Now we're thinking he's trying to scam us out of of more money, so we are going to ignore him.

Is there going to be serious repercussions if we do this? I.e, taken to court, CCJs, etc.?
 
Was the property signed off and the inventory checked when you left? I take it one of you must have been there when this was done?
 
Last year there were five of us living in a house. We payed a damage deposit of £200 each (£1000 in total).

Today 3 of us have seen a letter he sent on the 1st Sept 2007 to our housemate in London who has been travelling until yesterday. We all (four of us now) moved in today to the new house. The letter listed a lot of damages exceeding £2300.

The big damages were that the bathtub was damaged by one housemate when he slipped in the bath and his knee went into the tub creating a hole sometime in February. He still has a scar from that. We informed the landlord and he said don't worry about it. He has now proceeded to charge us £650 because :

Now, surely we only have to pay for the bath which should be nowhere near the price aformentioned, including labour costs (which by the way he has hired illegal eastern european immigrants who cannot speak English). The decision to replace the suite is the landlord's.

Unlocking doors when 2 of my housemates locked themselves out, 3 visits - £90.

This was not stipulated in the contract, and now face charges for it.

There were many other "damages" e.g. Missing chair £150, Fire rebate strip removed, which previous residents performed £200 (We called him time and again, mentioning the fire regulation rules but he never bothered replacing the strip while we were there).

3 Retainer cheques (£175) were not payed, although we have payed them and have record of it (cheque book, bank statements).

He wishes to be payed 28 days after post (1/9/07). None of us has this money.

Now we're thinking he's trying to scam us out of of more money, so we are going to ignore him.

Is there going to be serious repercussions if we do this? I.e, taken to court, CCJs, etc.?

Was there an inventory done before you moved in ? if not then you really have no say about the condition of the place prior to the tenancy tbh.

The bath bit is awkard. you don't want to have mis-matched things tbh, I agreee with the landlord on that. it seems that you are going to have to cough up cash really even though it was a genuine mistake.

sid
 
The bath bit is awkard. you don't want to have mis-matched things tbh, I agreee with the landlord on that. it seems that you are going to have to cough up cash really even though it was a genuine mistake.

sid

If this is a student flat, does it really matter that the bathroom is a mismatch?
 
Tell him to get stuffed regarding the bathroom business. Offer to cough up the price of a new bath, and nothing else. If he wants to replace the entire bathroom it's upto him - but you've at least made him a reasonable offer.

As for the charge for opening up the door. He should made this crystal clear before opening the lock. Since it seems that he hasn't, you took his services assuming that he was offering them with no charges. I've been locked out once, and the local locksmith only charged me £20 - annoying when I saw what he did, but he did me a favour, so...

Ask for an itemised invoice, with details of every part, labour charge and anything else you can think of. Go through the invoice, write down what you don't agree with then send him a letter stating what you do and don't agree with.

In these situations, a kindly worded letter helps, but make sure it's clear you won't budge.
 
doesn't he have insurance?

because that bath would be covered under almost most policys, ie you shouldn't need to pay for it.

a bath doesent count as contents unlike carpets ect so if he has buildings insurance - Like he LEGALLY SHOULD - then it would probably be covered under that.

imo He's scamming you. Or you can grass him to the authorities for failing to have proper insurance (fines in the thousands) :p

(afaik - been a while since i worked in that sector)
 
My housemates and I have been talking, as far as were concerned, we haven't seen the letter.

We're going to play innocent until he actually comes to us, and we'll give him hell.

Thanks :)
 
He's hoping you are gullible. I suppose it is fair you pay him back for a broken bath and a chair if you were indeed at fault. But re the extortionate fee, I would get him to show you quotes for a bath only - not a whole bloody suite. And if the inluock was not in *** contract, he cannot do much. I would also prove the cheque payments to him, as well as reminding him of of your calls regarding the fire rebate strip.

CAB also for further advice.

Finally, if/when you do pay him, if you were all on a joint contract, you are all liable to share the cost (unless u work out among youselves who did the damge and will pay). If you had individual contracts, he can only get the responsible person to pay.

Keep "fighting".


edit/ Does he still have your deposits?
 
If you have record of everything, then tell him to **** off. Or take HIM to small claims for excess charging and money he has never paid you back for.

Report him to the local authorities over the fire thing
 
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He's hoping you are gullible. I suppose it is fair you pay him back for a broken bath and a chair if you were indeed at fault. But re the extortionate fee, I would get him to show you quotes for a bath only - not a whole bloody suite. And if the inluock was not in *** contract, he cannot do much. I would also prove the cheque payments to him, as well as reminding him of of your calls regarding the fire rebate strip.

CAB also for further advice.

Finally, if/when you do pay him, if you were all on a joint contract, you are all liable to share the cost (unless u work out among youselves who did the damge and will pay). If you had individual contracts, he can only get the responsible person to pay.

Keep "fighting".


edit/ Does he still have your deposits?

Yes, he's included the deposits in the overall damage. £2335 was the overall damage minus £1000 (deposits [5x£200]) leaving us to pay the remainder, which we are not.

Surely the damage deposit is supposed to cover any damage caused, so he shouldn't ask for any more money?
 
In this case, I would make sure that he gives you a reasonable and legitimate estimate of genuine damage, to check if in fact he does not owe you any money back. Remember it is the law for him to show you quotes/receipts.
 
Yes, he's included the deposits in the overall damage. £2335 was the overall damage minus £1000 (deposits [5x£200]) leaving us to pay the remainder, which we are not.

Surely the damage deposit is supposed to cover any damage caused, so he shouldn't ask for any more money?


Nope he can ask for more, but he has to show receipts etc. It is not reasonable to charge you for a whole new bathroom suite.

You need to phone up CAB, don't just not pay him that looks bad. Phone CAb get advice and do what ever they say. In other words write a polite letter telling him where to stick it using what ever cab tells you to back it up.
 
We've accepted losing our deposits. We don't and will not pay him a single penny if we can help it. Going to contact the CAB soon.
 
Your landlord's being a bit of a cheeky git about it all. As said, speak to CAB. Make sure you get an itemised list of all the costs. Refuse to pay the cost of your landlord leting your housemates in. Contest the whole bathroom fitting costs; buying a full bathroom suite as he can't find the exact bath sounds like BS.
 
You've had some good advice here, but one quick point. Since you've just moved into a new property, make sure a full inventory is done, and get it signed and dated by your new landlord/letting agency. Take photos of any damage, and make sure they are date stamped too. I've heard a lot of people being messed around by landlords when it comes to deposits and such, and pretty much the only way to get round it is to have a record of everything, including a copy of your contract for reference.

The bath thing is total BS though. I'm guessing it's a student house, and students really couldn't care less about matching bath suites.
 
Yeah, I've been taking pictures and videos of the whole house in the last couple of hours.

We're putting this situation with the old landlord to experience.
 
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