'progressive' coffee chain 'racist'

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So from the land of the free, a country which seems to be increasingly ripping itself apart along racial lines, we have another media frenzy over 'racism....

Starbucks had to apologise over last week's arrest of two black men who were waiting to meet someone in a Starbucks in Philadelphia.

Ironically from a chain where you can actually buy a Soy Latte and who have (rather clumsily) tried to recently step outside there core business of selling overpriced coffee, other drinks and snacks into opening dialogues around race in the USA

So the story goes that two black men entered a starbucks coffee shop in Philadephia, one asked to use the restroom and was told it was for customer use only and then the pair sat down having not purchased anything and when asked by the manager if they were going to buy something at that point declined... .


Yes you read that right one of the males involved even states that they had bought their own beverages to the coffee shop so didn't want and or need to purchase a product at that time from the coffee shop....

Having refused to buy anything or leave the police were called and when the men continued to refuse to leave when asked repeatedly and calmly by the cops were arrested without much incident.

Apparently this is all evidence of 'racism' with a host of American progressives lining up to tell us their tales of hours worth of their lives spent loitering in starbucks without buying anything....

Of course even a causal examination of facts rather than biased anecdote would show that its not only defiant black males who get refused bathroom privelleges at starbucks (and presuambly the right to sit it a store having not bought anything or showing any real intention to do so having bought your own drinks along for a meeting) but also heavily pregnant white women and cops. Hell even when said white woman's husband offers to buy something they are still refused!


"My husband said, 'Here's my credit card; charge me for anything. Give me the code.' And the man still said, 'No,'

What's the difference here? The people affected left the stores without delay albeit obviously decided to moan about it later to the news or on social media.

And can anyone actually work out what the hell one of the men involved actually meant when asked effectively why he thought rules that applied to other people didn't apply to him?


So Donte were you in the right or wrong? Because you seem to have not actually answered the question at all? Given that you seem to indicate that right and wrong transcend 'race' presumambly you understand you were wrong in this scenario?

Of course this was followed with the craven promises to fix this apparent problem by the 'woke' CEO of starbucks. .

Starbucks' chief executive Kevin Johnson said he had been "learning what we did wrong and the steps we need to take to fix it".

And even the black police chief cracked under pressure apogising to the men involved after previously pointing out that the officers did nothing wrong. (wouldn't you just love to be an officer on his force knowing he had your back if you were properly executing your duty?)

So yes there is racism in this case but it appears to be that 'people of colour' (to use the popular woke contemporary phrase) should not be held to the same standards Re wrongdoing as 'whites'!
 
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Just watched Sargons video on this actually.


Seems to me like they've created an event where there should have been none. I wouldn't dream of using a coffee shop of any kind without purchasing anything, let alone refusing to leave when asked.
 
Just watched Sargons video on this actually.


Seems to me like they've created an event where there should have been none. I wouldn't dream of using a coffee shop of any kind without purchasing anything, let alone refusing to leave when asked.

I've walked into a branch of McDonalds and purchased a drink specifically so I could use the toilet. Not because I was told to, but because I'd feel like an arse if I didn't.

All of this hand wringing stuff from corporations is just a reaction to the climate, there are significant issues with race at the moment in America, and the majority of the debate is legitimate. However one of the consequences of this kind of polarisation is a raft of quite isolated fringe reactions like this. Effectively people are more likely to blame race, media more likely to frame around race, and corporations are more likely to take an uber cautious stance. It will die down.
 
I've popped into many establishments like this before just to use the loo, without purchasing anything, no-one has ever batted an eyelid

Why on earth would I need to feel like an arse for that? :confused:
 
fake media outrage over another non story.

sure, use the loo.... but if you are asked to leave why sit there and flat refuse. the establishment is within their rights to reserve their seating for their customers.
 
I've popped into many establishments like this before just to use the loo, without purchasing anything, no-one has ever batted an eyelid

Why on earth would I need to feel like an arse for that? :confused:
A generational thing most likely.
 
I've popped into many establishments like this before just to use the loo, without purchasing anything, no-one has ever batted an eyelid

Why on earth would I need to feel like an arse for that? :confused:

And if the management asked you to leave or declined your request for the code to the door (often printed on receipts in outlets like this)?
 
Non story is non. Perfectly reasonable to ask if going to buy anything then ask to leave maybe they needed seats. Maybe waitress was inexperienced. Progressives still crying that Trump got in.

Another video of a black guy in the US who gets a refund from SB's as he calims they are racist, he did it as an experiment.
 
I've popped into many establishments like this before just to use the loo, without purchasing anything, no-one has ever batted an eyelid

Why on earth would I need to feel like an arse for that? :confused:

You don't need to at all, but I do. It's not a voluntary reaction, just relaying my experience.

My view on it is that they have costs associated with providing that facility so I should probably offer them something in trade. It doesn't bother me that other people don't do the same but that's my personal philosophy on it.
 
Using the loo for 5 mins, especially places like McDs where they're a quick motorway stop is fine. Sitting for a lengthy meeting and bringing your own drinks and then refusing to leave is a bit different.
 
This is such a non-incident to warrant that big an OP.

Its generated a lot of media attention over the pond and the UK often follows cultural trends set in the USA. If you look at my posting history I have a long history of posting quite lengthy referenced posts on a wide range of issues (I. E not just social justice issues) to provide other readers with some context and hopefully a fuller account then some of the rather more brief posts on the forum.
 
I dont get it though they weren't customers used the loo refused to leave police decided to arrest them


Same would have happened no matter what thier skin waa
 
Refusing them the toilet seems a bit unreasonable but it's perfectly understandable that seating would be reserved for customers only, if everyone used such places as hangouts without buying anything they'd quickly go out of business.

Is this worthy of national news? of course not but todays media will post anything which stirs up racial tensions or plays one group against another.
 
Refusing them the toilet seems a bit unreasonable but it's perfectly understandable that seating would be reserved for customers only, if everyone used such places as hangouts without buying anything they'd quickly go out of business.

Is this worthy of national news? of course not but todays media will post anything which stirs up racial tensions or plays one group against another.

Is it? "Toilet is for customers only" is a pretty standard rule
 
Using the loo for 5 mins, especially places like McDs where they're a quick motorway stop is fine. Sitting for a lengthy meeting and bringing your own drinks and then refusing to leave is a bit different.

They didn't though did they.

From the links in the OP one of the guy says there was about 2 minutes between them arriving and her calling the cops.

There's even a link to another article on the same page where an employee says the manager has a history of incidents that could be viewed as racist.

It's perfectly normal to wait in a place like starbucks for other people to arrive before ordering.

Me personally I'd buy something small while I wait just to get them off my back. Unfortunately we can never know the tone that the manager used with them so it's impossible to say if it was based in race or not.
 
I particularly enjoyed this story because only 3 weeks ago I tried to sit in a station platform coffee shop without buying anything because it was warmer / comfier than sitting outside. The manager asked me to leave which I thought was a bit of a **** move seeing as my girlfriend and I were literally the only people in this coffee shop, but nevertheless had I refused to leave it would have been perfectly reasonable for him to call the police as its his business and he can ask whoever he wants to leave.
 
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