Projector for Indoor & Outdoor (Spec me)

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Stereotypical 'on-trend' garden cinema project in the making, under instruction from the Mrs :p

No restriction as to how close or far away from the viewing wall that the projector could be outdoor so plenty of flexibility in this regard.

I do however also have a wall in the lounge where the TV is currently situated which would accommodate a 100" output perfectly. It is however only 3.4m wall to wall and I've a feeling a short-throw might be needed? (Which is probably a little too close in all honesty for 100")

So I'm wondering if there's a projector that could fit the bill and handle both?
  • Budget is anything from a few hundred up to £5-600.
  • Never owned or researched projectors (beyond short throw) but have plenty of other AV gear.
  • HD but 4K not essential.
  • I'm unsure quite how much use this will get out in the garden in all honesty so it's either cheap & cheerful and stick with the 55" OLED for viewing pleasure or shell out and get something I can use indoor that I won't be mortified by.
  • I've cira £200 in John Lewis vouchers which can be spent too if they have any offerings.
Thanks :)
 
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This is quite a bit over that budget, but i saw the "I'm unsure quite how much use this will get out in the garden in all honesty so it's either cheap & cheerful and stick with the 55" OLED for viewing pleasure or shell out and get something I can use indoor that I won't be mortified by."
https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/projectors/4-k-projectors/optoma-uhz65ust.html
My reasoning's are it's a laser one, bulb projectors need to cool down and if the weather took a turn for the worst you have to rush which could kill or shorten bulb life. Also does sound as well as picture so no need to sort multiple av bits out.
Image from 85 – 120 inches, with the projection just 47 – 66cm from the wall.
Down side it's 3k and you might be susceptible to rainbow effect.
 
Laser is great for its short start-up and shut-down times. There are some trade-offs though in terms of cost and brightness. I don't think any manufacturer is doing a projector with the combination of brightness, short throw range and Laser lamp that would sit within the budget.

I'm going to concentrate on the outdoor application since that's the primary use.

A lamped projector will need 10-20 seconds start-up and around 20-60 seconds shutdown time typically. Some have an accelerated cool-down function where the fan runs at high speed for 10 seconds. Seems to do the trick.

It's a good idea to be careful when moving a projector during use such as when you're lining it up onscreen, but I've never had a lamp die at that point or when moved after cooling. The only real concern is what happens if power is cut when the projector is on. This is because without the cooling fan running the heat from the now extinguished lamp continues to build up. The answer is (a) be careful around the mains lead and (b) restore power as quickly as possible and let the projector cool.

For outdoor use you'll be up against ambient light, but that never stopped drive-in cinema from working; they just made sensible choices not to try and beat the sun.

I'd go with a gaming projector or similar bright-, short-throw 1080p projector. The Optoma GT1080 is (or has been) available in three different versions. The GT1080e is the £600 version with 3000 ANSI IIRC. There's also the HDR and Darbee versions with slightly different brightness specs and higher prices. 3000 ANSI is pretty pokey for a £600 projector, so you shouldn't have much trouble lighting up a 100" diagonal 16:9 screen area, and you'll get this from just a 1m throw distance. There's a low power/eco mode too which extends the lamp life.

An alternative is the Benq TH671ST. It's also around the £600 mark and has a claimed maximum of 3000 ANSI lumens. 100" is achieved at 1.5m throw.

Lower-cost short-throw projectors have either no zoom at all, or a very limited zoom range. It's a limitation of the optical light path. The slightly longer throw ratio of the Benq allows them to have a small amount of zoom (a smaller image at the same throw distance, or the same size image at a slight longer throw distance). The Optoma has no zoom.

Sound: Unless you're requirements are very basic indeed then I'd always opt for some kind of external sound system. This could be a sound bar, or a set of PC speakers. Whatever it is, you're just looking for something that sounds better than the 3" speaker plonked inside the thing making a bit of fan noise. Most gaming/entertainment projectors will have a sound output on a minimum of a 3.5mm stereo jack.

New or used?

AVForums classifieds section is a fairly safe place to buy used. Sellers there know that there's a lot of folk with decent levels of knowledge, so you won't get exaggerated claims or false advertising. Ebay will offer more choice but from sellers with lower standards. Caveat emptor.

Since both the above are still current models, albeit in revised form, then prices reflect age. Recent units will fetch close to new prices. Older machines will sell for 1/3rd to 1/2 original price depending on age and whether a new lamp is needed. Speaking of lamps, this has been one of the other areas where prices have fallen significantly. The days of a new lamp at a minimum £300-£400 are thankfully long gone. Some of these latest machines have genuine lamps available for under £70.

Copy lamps are available, but more often than not they're a false economy. They don't match the originals for brightness or lamp life. If your new lamp is anything under £150, then stick with a genuine part.


Older/alternative projectors?

There's a bigger choice of standard throw entertainment projectors. Current models such as the Optoma HD143X are bright, and cheaper (£450) but as you know, the throw ratio makes them trickier to accommodate in a limited space. It's the same story with older discontinued models.
 
This is quite a bit over that budget, but i saw the "I'm unsure quite how much use this will get out in the garden in all honesty so it's either cheap & cheerful and stick with the 55" OLED for viewing pleasure or shell out and get something I can use indoor that I won't be mortified by."
https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/projectors/4-k-projectors/optoma-uhz65ust.html
My reasoning's are it's a laser one, bulb projectors need to cool down and if the weather took a turn for the worst you have to rush which could kill or shorten bulb life. Also does sound as well as picture so no need to sort multiple av bits out.
Image from 85 – 120 inches, with the projection just 47 – 66cm from the wall.
Down side it's 3k and you might be susceptible to rainbow effect.

Just a tad over budget :p

Laser is great for its short start-up and shut-down times. There are some trade-offs though in terms of cost and brightness. I don't think any manufacturer is doing a projector with the combination of brightness, short throw range and Laser lamp that would sit within the budget.

I'm going to concentrate on the outdoor application since that's the primary use.

A lamped projector will need 10-20 seconds start-up and around 20-60 seconds shutdown time typically. Some have an accelerated cool-down function where the fan runs at high speed for 10 seconds. Seems to do the trick.

It's a good idea to be careful when moving a projector during use such as when you're lining it up onscreen, but I've never had a lamp die at that point or when moved after cooling. The only real concern is what happens if power is cut when the projector is on. This is because without the cooling fan running the heat from the now extinguished lamp continues to build up. The answer is (a) be careful around the mains lead and (b) restore power as quickly as possible and let the projector cool.

For outdoor use you'll be up against ambient light, but that never stopped drive-in cinema from working; they just made sensible choices not to try and beat the sun.

I'd go with a gaming projector or similar bright-, short-throw 1080p projector. The Optoma GT1080 is (or has been) available in three different versions. The GT1080e is the £600 version with 3000 ANSI IIRC. There's also the HDR and Darbee versions with slightly different brightness specs and higher prices. 3000 ANSI is pretty pokey for a £600 projector, so you shouldn't have much trouble lighting up a 100" diagonal 16:9 screen area, and you'll get this from just a 1m throw distance. There's a low power/eco mode too which extends the lamp life.

An alternative is the Benq TH671ST. It's also around the £600 mark and has a claimed maximum of 3000 ANSI lumens. 100" is achieved at 1.5m throw.

Lower-cost short-throw projectors have either no zoom at all, or a very limited zoom range. It's a limitation of the optical light path. The slightly longer throw ratio of the Benq allows them to have a small amount of zoom (a smaller image at the same throw distance, or the same size image at a slight longer throw distance). The Optoma has no zoom.

Sound: Unless you're requirements are very basic indeed then I'd always opt for some kind of external sound system. This could be a sound bar, or a set of PC speakers. Whatever it is, you're just looking for something that sounds better than the 3" speaker plonked inside the thing making a bit of fan noise. Most gaming/entertainment projectors will have a sound output on a minimum of a 3.5mm stereo jack.

New or used?

AVForums classifieds section is a fairly safe place to buy used. Sellers there know that there's a lot of folk with decent levels of knowledge, so you won't get exaggerated claims or false advertising. Ebay will offer more choice but from sellers with lower standards. Caveat emptor.

Since both the above are still current models, albeit in revised form, then prices reflect age. Recent units will fetch close to new prices. Older machines will sell for 1/3rd to 1/2 original price depending on age and whether a new lamp is needed. Speaking of lamps, this has been one of the other areas where prices have fallen significantly. The days of a new lamp at a minimum £300-£400 are thankfully long gone. Some of these latest machines have genuine lamps available for under £70.

Copy lamps are available, but more often than not they're a false economy. They don't match the originals for brightness or lamp life. If your new lamp is anything under £150, then stick with a genuine part.


Older/alternative projectors?

There's a bigger choice of standard throw entertainment projectors. Current models such as the Optoma HD143X are bright, and cheaper (£450) but as you know, the throw ratio makes them trickier to accommodate in a limited space. It's the same story with older discontinued models.

Thank you for such a comprehensive reply.
 
I take it you don't have close neighbours or they are very understanding (or you just don't like them :p )

No way I could get away with using one here, well maybe if I used headphones for the sound but even the light would annoy people by the time it gets dark in summer.
 
I take it you don't have close neighbours or they are very understanding (or you just don't like them :p )

No way I could get away with using one here, well maybe if I used headphones for the sound but even the light would annoy people by the time it gets dark in summer.

The ones I like are understanding and the ones I don't :p Most light/noise will be off come 11PM and more often than not they're still making noise themselves on occasion. I'm quite considerate so it's not really a concern :)

When in the garden I'll just use a set of stereo speakers positioned relatively close. For a sound experience I'll be indoors with the rest of my AV gear.

So I’m thinking Epson TW650 for about £380 or Optima UHD30 for around £960 - can’t decide if 4K is worth the noticeable price difference though!

I've narrowed it to either:

Benq w1050 - £399
Optoma HD27e - £449


I can't see that the HD28e is offering me much extra for £70 more.
The HD143x for £469 I just want to be sure I'm not overlooking as the HD27e currently is reduced by £100 and I'm fairly certain is superior.

Films mostly (occasional TV) for outdoor late evening/night viewing. Minimal ambient light.
 
So I’m thinking Epson TW650 for about £380 or Optima UHD30 for around £960 - can’t decide if 4K is worth the noticeable price difference though!

Only if you're going to be feeding it 4K content.

4K would be nice but I don't have any 4K content currently so doubling the budget is unnecessary for me.
 
Good point on the 4k content. I've came up with a bit of a blip in my plans.

I have a room that is 4.5m by 3.2m long. On the shorter wall, I have a bookcase on one side, that I was hoping to mount the projector. On the other end, is a bay window, that is 70" at the back, or 80" at the front. I could mount a bigger screen, but then it wouldn't be able to sit in the window bay recess. I could at a push have a 100" screen I think, but then I would need to extend the curtain rail outward so I can pull them back not to cover the screen, if the screen sits in front of the window recess, but hidden behind the curtain rail when not in use.

Back to my blip - I've just been reading about throw ratios, and most seem to be quite narrow - 1.5 to 1.7, which if I have worked out right means the projector has to be placed 3 metres away from the screen(and back to the start - the bookcase I was going to mount the projector in is 4.5m metres away).

Hope you've thought of this as well.
 
Surely with it heading towards summer it's going to be too sunny out til 10-11pm? Up here in Scotland it's bright til around 9.30 atm, I couldn't imagine using one of my walls for projecting and the projector being bright enough to see.
 
Surely with it heading towards summer it's going to be too sunny out til 10-11pm? Up here in Scotland it's bright til around 9.30 atm, I couldn't imagine using one of my walls for projecting and the projector being bright enough to see.

This particular wall is shaded and dark.

Worst case we stay up late :p
 
Well let us know how bit goes :)

Will do, opted for the HD27e, seems good so far.

Pumps out some heat, especially with the bulb on Bright mode - way more than my old plasma screen. It's also much noisier. On Eco though the picture is still plenty bright enough and the noise far far quieter (mild hum).

Not a great example but still a perfectly acceptable picture given the price point.

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On the off-white wall in the lounge this morning, curtains closed etc

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The ground spikes for the fence posts arrived today so can have a proper play later this week/weekend.[/spoiler]
 
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