http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-002-PL&groupid=701&catid=2331&subcat=1816
I like the look and spec of these fans. Could someone tell me if the 25mm depth is with the guard on or off? I plan to use them in a new build and that couple of mm is critical.

I like the look and spec of these fans. Could someone tell me if the 25mm depth is with the guard on or off? I plan to use them in a new build and that couple of mm is critical.
